The obvious has been officially confirmed ...

[oxmixmudd]

Yet more ranting and raving. I guess that's all you've got. Because if you had an actual case to make, you've had plenty of opportunity to make it.

[lilpixieofterror]

Yet more ranting and raving. I guess that's all you've got. Because if you had an actual case to make, you've had plenty of opportunity to make it.

[oxmixmudd]

Russia interfered with the US election.
Americans worked directly with Russians to put Trump in the WH.
The Trump campaign worked directly with the Russians to change the election.
The Russians changed votes to get Trump into the WH.

Perfect- thanks pix! So just to point out just how completely disconnected from reality and over the top irrational you are - I have ONLY every claimed (1) in your list.

How you got those other 3 I do not know, my guess is you have perverted "The Russian interference was aimed at hindering Hillary and helping Trump" and "Trump has made attempts to get help from foreign entities" (re 2016 public request for russia to find Hillaries email and the now infamous Trump Tower meeting hoping to get dirt on Hillary) into those other 3 claims. But those other three claims, as far as what I have said on this site, are from your own imagination Pix.

Note also that the actual claims I have made are simply facts or are directly supported by the facts. But you hear something else, something that does not exist.

..Trump is simply a person that makes good and bad decisions. ..

No pix. That statement is just absurd. You can't whitewash Trump into being somehow 'normal'. Trump is a person that mocks the rule of law. That seeks what benefits himself at the expense of others, even the entire country. He is abusive to those around him on a scale not observed in my lifetime of a president. He ignores the counsel of his experts, he demands those around him praise him openly - to name a few of the excesses and abusive elements of this man. There is very little about him on a given day that is normal or that reflects who most of us are - except perhaps at our absolute worst moments. What he boasts of, most of us would be ashamed. He literally has more in common with someone like Kim Jong Un or Vladimir Putin that he does any of us.


Jim

[Mountain Man]

And the evidence for the first one is far weaker than most people realize.

[oxmixmudd]

Linking to vox. Really?

I guess I assume too much from you Pix - like that you care about the truth. I just grabbed the first of a page of links covering that story (unlike the tripe MM posts from Brietbart)

Let's see:

NY Times:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/b...-election.html
thehill:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ia-meddling-in
politico:https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-report-040736
CBS news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
NBC news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
reuters:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JT2YB
APnews:https://apnews.com/8b95a7cf7bcb4585b00c038be2257ba4

USAToday, slate, CNN, NYpost, Washington Post, PBS, NPR, LATimes, and the list goes on and on for pages.

EVEN FOX NEWS: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fin...te-intel-panel








Jim

[oxmixmudd]

And the evidence for the first one is far weaker than most people realize.

Denial must be a very pleasant place. Please read at least one of the links I posted above. Fox is there, so your 'mind' probably wont be too contaminated by looking.


Jim

[JimL]

Linking to vox. Really?

I guess I assume too much from you Pix - like that you care about the truth. I just grabbed the first of a page of links covering that story (unlike the tripe MM posts from Brietbart)

Let's see:

NY Times:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/b...-election.html
thehill:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ia-meddling-in
politico:https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-report-040736
CBS news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
NBC news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
reuters:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JT2YB
APnews:https://apnews.com/8b95a7cf7bcb4585b00c038be2257ba4

USAToday, slate, CNN, NYpost, Washington Post, PBS, NPR, LATimes, and the list goes on and on for pages.

EVEN FOX NEWS: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fin...te-intel-panel








Jim

Trump, in true Orwellian fashion, did admonish his supporters at one of his cult rallies, to, and I paraphrase "stick with us, don't believe the jounalists, what you see and what you read is not what's happening." He must keep "1984" on his bedside table along with Mein Kampf.

[lilpixieofterror]

Perfect- thanks pix! So just to point out just how completely disconnected from reality and over the top irrational you are - I have ONLY every claimed (1) in your list.

How you got those other 3 I do not know, my guess is you have perverted "The Russian interference was aimed at hindering Hillary and helping Trump" and "Trump has made attempts to get help from foreign entities" (re 2016 public request for russia to find Hillaries email and the now infamous Trump Tower meeting hoping to get dirt on Hillary) into those other 3 claims. But those other three claims, as far as what I have said on this site, are from your own imagination Pix.

Note also that the actual claims I have made are simply facts or are directly supported by the facts. But you hear something else, something that does not exist.

No pix. That statement is just absurd. You can't whitewash Trump into being somehow 'normal'. Trump is a person that mocks the rule of law. That seeks what benefits himself at the expense of others, even the entire country. He is abusive to those around him on a scale not observed in my lifetime of a president. He ignores the counsel of his experts, he demands those around him praise him openly - to name a few of the excesses and abusive elements of this man. There is very little about him on a given day that is normal or that reflects who most of us are - except perhaps at our absolute worst moments. What he boasts of, most of us would be ashamed. He literally has more in common with someone like Kim Jong Un or Vladimir Putin that he does any of us.


Jim

And again, you post your opinions, as facts, and wonder why those already not inclined to agree with you, are not jumping on board. Your opinions are noted and dismissed as such, waiting for support.

[lilpixieofterror]

Linking to vox. Really?

I guess I assume too much from you Pix - like that you care about the truth. I just grabbed the first of a page of links covering that story (unlike the tripe MM posts from Brietbart)

Let's see:

NY Times:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/b...-election.html
thehill:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ia-meddling-in
politico:https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-report-040736
CBS news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
NBC news: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-...2020-meddling/
reuters:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JT2YB
APnews:https://apnews.com/8b95a7cf7bcb4585b00c038be2257ba4

USAToday, slate, CNN, NYpost, Washington Post, PBS, NPR, LATimes, and the list goes on and on for pages.

EVEN FOX NEWS: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fin...te-intel-panel








Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Look and see how well you handle being wrong. There was nothing wrong with the link to vox, was there! It was a legitimate story covered by all legitimate news outlets.

and therefore what is the logical conclusion to your freak outs? Did Trump work with Russia or not?

I'm not having 'freak outs'. I'm just not responding as you'd like to your rants. Not sure what response you are looking for, but what I'm doing certainly isn't it

We don't know to what extent he was working with Russia directly. There was insufficient evidence to say conclusively it constituted collusion. There is evidence they were trying to help him, they were trying to hurt hillary, and that he (Trump) was more than willing for that to happen, even openly encouraging and accepting such help.

And given his attempts to secure help from Ukraine and even China, and his continued attempts to obfuscate or play down the obvious attempts by Russia which are directed at supporting him, my guess is he thinks that help is beneficial. That it helped him win in 2016, and that it may well help him win again in 2020. Otherwise - why seek it out?

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

Look and see how well you handle being wrong. There was nothing wrong with the link to vox, was there! It was a legitimate story covered by all legitimate news outlets.

I'm not having 'freak outs'. I'm just not responding as you'd like to your rants. Not sure what response you are looking for, but what I'm doing certainly isn't it

We don't know to what extent he was working with Russia directly. There was insufficient evidence to say conclusively it constituted collusion. There is evidence they were trying to help him, they were trying to hurt hillary, and that he (Trump) was more than willing for that to happen, even openly encouraging and accepting such help.

And given his attempts to secure help from Ukraine and even China, and his continued attempts to obfuscate or play down the obvious attempts by Russia which are directed at supporting him, my guess is he thinks that help is beneficial. That it helped him win in 2016, and that it may well help him win again in 2020. Otherwise - why seek it out?

[Mountain Man]

Denial must be a very pleasant place. Please read at least one of the links I posted above. Fox is there, so your 'mind' probably wont be too contaminated by looking.

Jim

Trust me, I am far more informed about these matters than you are which is obvious from the naive way you discuss this topic. I really don't need to play catch up with a list of links you pulled from the first page of a Google search.

[JimL]

Trust me, I am far more informed about these matters than you are which is obvious from the naive way you discuss this topic. I really don't need to play catch up with a list of links you pulled from the first page of a Google search.

Well, perhaps you are far more informed, unfortunately it's with mis-information, MM.

[Mountain Man]

Well, perhaps you are far more informed, unfortunately it's with mis-information, MM.

I can't tell you the number of times you guys have posted in a lather about some "new" development that you just heard about, and which I was aware of days or even weeks before. The problem with trusting liberal media sources is that they decide what you need to know, and when you need to know it, and in many cases, they decide that you don't actually need to know at all. Stupid and ignorant is how the Democrat party wants you. Like Obamacare architect John Gruber infamously said, "Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for [Obamacare] to pass." And they're pulling the same trick again with this impeachment scam, and you guys fall for it every... single... time.

[oxmixmudd]

Trust me, I am far more informed about these matters than you are which is obvious from the naive way you discuss this topic. I really don't need to play catch up with a list of links you pulled from the first page of a Google search.

Trust you? Trust a man that still thinks the park service faked the inauguration crowd photos?

You think you are informed, but so do most cult members. You are cut off from any objective reporting about what is going on, so what you 'know, most of it anyway, is hogwash dreamt up by people that are all-in with whatever Trump wants to hear.

The reality is Trump does all sorts of insane and nutty things, and legitimate sources call him on it, while nutcase sources pretend these are not insane nutty things.