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  • Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    My two cents on "faked" vs "edited:" when I think about a video being faked, I think of images being altered or staged, or in the case of the crowd size thing maybe photos from another event used deceptively, or something along those lines. So just in a general sense I would regard referring to MM's comments as calling the video "fake" to be an unfair characterization.
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    I'd say that taking something out of a picture or film sequence is alteration just as putting something in is.
    Like removing all frames of a CCTV recording that show a particular person in order to give the impression that they weren't there. Cf Entrapment, Rising Sun, etc.
    Or cropping or airbrushing a picture of an event in order to remove one or more participants. Cf Yezhov/Malchenko/Bondarenko.
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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      If the video is edited purposefully to distort the message, it's faked.
      I disagree. In that case, I would say the video was misleading. Saying that something is "faked" suggests that fabrication took place.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        I disagree. In that case, I would say the video was misleading. Saying that something is "faked" suggests that fabrication took place.
        So, like when the highly respected journalists at NBC faked the fiery crash of a GM truck for their story?
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Roy View Post
          Yeah, I just fixed it.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Exactly. Or when reporters claim to be on location but are really standing in front of a green screen in the local studio.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


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            • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
              That is fine, but your argument is flawed. As I showed in the post you cut, there is no accidental way for the time lapse to have been constructed that does NOT show the full extent of the crowd...
              Jim. I don't care. I'm not interested. I was discussing the concept of faking vs editing in general.

              I can't tell you how much I don't care about your war with MM on the crowd size.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Jim. I don't care. I'm not interested. I was discussing the concept of faking vs editing in general.

                I can't tell you how much I don't care about your war with MM on the crowd size.
                Yes you can - you just did ;)

                To be fair, it's an issue of truth over fantasy. And it really does matter in that when two people can't agree on something so straight forward, it means there is something seriously wrong. Which is why I do not understand why so many of you are willing to let MM's position stand.

                Jim
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                • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                  Yes you can - you just did ;)

                  To be fair, it's an issue of truth over fantasy. And it really does matter in that when two people can't agree on something so straight forward, it means there is something seriously wrong. Which is why I do not understand why so many of you are willing to let MM's position stand.

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                  You're failing at that mind-reading thing again, Jim.
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                  • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                    Yes you can - you just did ;)

                    To be fair, it's an issue of truth over fantasy. And it really does matter in that when two people can't agree on something so straight forward, it means there is something seriously wrong. Which is why I do not understand why so many of you are willing to let MM's position stand.

                    Jim
                    MM is a big boy - you two can fight it out or hug it out.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                      You're failing at that mind-reading thing again, Jim.
                      I dont think you know what that means. And I was always taught silence in the face of something wrong is tacit approval.

                      Again, I dont know of one person in the 'we are against the MSM camp' here at tweb that has spoken up and let it be known the crowd size nuttery from the Trump side is dead wrong. Even when the thread was active and we were all arguing the point.
                      My 'faith' designation is 'Christian'. But I do not want the label "Christian" leading to mockery of faith in Christ. Consequently, I apologize if words of mine written in this post or others reflect poorly on the what Faith in Christ means, or what Faith in Christ can in fact do in terms of bringing Grace, Mercy, and Love into the world.

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                      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        I dont think you know what that means. And I was always taught silence in the face of something wrong is tacit approval.
                        Sometimes silence gives you the opportunity to actually work the problem, instead of just loudly rail against it, Jim.

                        I have done some "back door diplomacy" here with some posters where publicly blasting them on the board would not have allowed that.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                          I dont think you know what that means. And I was always taught silence in the face of something wrong is tacit approval.

                          Again, I dont know of one person in the 'we are against the MSM camp' here at tweb that has spoken up and let it be known the crowd size nuttery from the Trump side is dead wrong. Even when the thread was active and we were all arguing the point.
                          If I was to guess, itís because youíre incapable of having any sort of discussion, about Trump, without resorting to the idea that Trump is Satan himself. Itís pointless to even bother.
                          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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                          • I've said it before and I'll say it again, the more the Democrats waste their time with this pursuit the less of a chance they'll have. There's just not much dirt there to be found. What they should focus on is their politics, their candidates, and figuring out what direction they should be heading. Right now they're stuck in a mindset of "Business as usual will win" and that won't work going forward. They'll have to figure themselves out at the moment.

                            But that requires a lot more effort and work, than the temptation of a simple "We can win with a gotcha" approach.

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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Sometimes silence gives you the opportunity to actually work the problem, instead of just loudly rail against it, Jim.

                              I have done some "back door diplomacy" here with some posters where publicly blasting them on the board would not have allowed that.
                              Makes sense CP. That would be a judgement call. Whatever has been done on that front, MM is still in a fantasyland regarding the issue, and he asked me to trust him that he has been keeping current with and understands the circumstances. Given he still maintains someone somehow altered the data that shows the gaps towards the monument, I have very good reason to doubt his capacity to reason logically on these matters.
                              Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-30-2019, 04:57 PM.
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                              • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                                If I was to guess, itís because youíre incapable of having any sort of discussion, about Trump, without resorting to the idea that Trump is Satan himself. Itís pointless to even bother.
                                And that line would be your current obsession pix.
                                My 'faith' designation is 'Christian'. But I do not want the label "Christian" leading to mockery of faith in Christ. Consequently, I apologize if words of mine written in this post or others reflect poorly on the what Faith in Christ means, or what Faith in Christ can in fact do in terms of bringing Grace, Mercy, and Love into the world.

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