Mass Psychosis

[rogue06]

It wasn't my Photoshop, and it was in response to Australia's announcement that they are beginning the construction of literal concentration camps for the unvaccinated.

As for your analogy, you actually do find people who will vehemently defend a product they paid for even if it's junk. The more costly the product, the more enthusiastically they will defend it. It's based on the sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes people just can't bring themselves to admit that they may have been ripped off and will loudly extol a product's virtues while laughing off any pointed criticism of it. That seems to be what we're seeing with regard to the China flu vaccines, but when even the inventor of the technology in question has sounded the alarm, you really should take it seriously.

Okay, this is a serious question for tabibito


Is it true that in Oz there was a nationwide lookout for a man, who while violating the lockdown, sneezed in an elevator (in which he was alone)?

[Starlight]

Is it true that in Oz there was a nationwide lookout for a man, who while violating the lockdown, sneezed in an elevator (in which he was alone)?

Australia and NZ have both found it worth making extra effort to keep Covid entirely out of their countries, because this means more freedoms within the countries to live life as normal, operate businesses and schools as normal etc. So when cases of covid do break through the border quarantine into the general population, they have to be really vigorously contained, otherwise they would just spread through the population and our countries would become as bad as America (well in the one respect of covid).

One part of that, is that when people are discovered to have Covid (i.e. by testing positive), they are subject to legal orders to quarantine until they are no longer infectious, thus preventing them spreading covid, killing thousands and costing the economy billions of dollars.

The person you mention tested positive for Covid, was told he had covid, and received the legal order to quarantine. And instead of obeying it, he decided he'd go out and about, and went on the run from authorities. Essentially at that point the damage he can do is equivalent to that of a major terrorist as the fallout from his actions can be to ruin the economy and kill thousands. China saw an instance of 71 people infected due to an elevator ride taken by an asymptomatic person with covid, and here Australia had a person who was symptomatic, known to be covid positive, shown on camera taking an elevator before fleeing from authorities for days. So you can bet the Australian authorities were not happy and wanted him found.

So no, it wasn't because someone 'violated the [general] lockdown' or someone 'sneezed in an elevator'. It was because a knowingly-covid-positive person was deliberately eluding authorities for days, in a country that is trying to have no covid whatsoever.


Here are a couple of comparisons of the NZ & Aus covid-response compared to the US & UK response. First is deaths per capita. As you can see, in Aus and NZ, it's been near-zero compared to the UK and US. Second graph is of lack-of-freedom levels. Total area above each line represents the amount of freedom within each country. (Yes, you can quibble at their choice of using the strictest sub-region of each country, I'm at the mercy of the choices that the people who are compiling the international data have made in that regard) Overall, Australia's level of freedom has been comparable to that of the UK and US, while NZ's level of freedom has been vastly higher. Although that's only because it's using the strictest sub-regions - there are individual states in Australia who's own pattern would look a lot more like NZ's in the graph than the Australia line.

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[tabibito]

Okay, this is a serious question for tabibito


Is it true that in Oz there was a nationwide lookout for a man, who while violating the lockdown, sneezed in an elevator (in which he was alone)?

First I've heard of it. Where exactly was it supposed to have happened?

[rogue06]

First I've heard of it. Where exactly was it supposed to have happened?

I lost my original source which isn't one I put a whole lot of trust in which was why I asked. But I found an Aussie source that confirms the basics although it doesn't say if the search was nationwide.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...0e662ebad53742

It does add something the other source left out. He reportedly has Covid so it wasn't just for sneezing

[Sparko]

I am shocked to note that Sparko and Rogue have been making good posts and posting accurate material for a few pages now in this thread...

...who are you and what have you done with the real Sparko and Rogue?

It's the 5G chip in the vaccine. We are now Fauci Zombies.

[Starlight]

It's the 5G chip in the vaccine. We are now Fauci Zombies.

Ah, much is explained. I did wonder how you'd suddenly become so knowledgeable.

[tabibito]

I lost my original source which isn't one I put a whole lot of trust in which was why I asked. But I found an Aussie source that confirms the basics although it doesn't say if the search was nationwide.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...0e662ebad53742

It does add something the other source left out. He reportedly has Covid so it wasn't just for sneezing

Yep - checked it out. The bloke is/was in Sydney, which is 1160 km from here. (by air. I think that's around 850 miles). No man-hunt, just a BOLO - and in NSW, not nation wide. And yes, he was confirmed positive for Covid - defied an isolation order.

[rogue06]

It's the 5G chip in the vaccine. We are now Fauci Zombies.

Don't know 'bout you, but I am Devo

[Sparko]

Ah, much is explained. I did wonder how you'd suddenly become so knowledgeable.

Wi-fi!

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I also want to drop this here for MM and Mike who keep making comments like "why would I want to take an experimental vaccine for a disease that has a 99% survivability rate?" and acting like COVID is no worse than a flu.

The mortality rate of the Spanish flu was 'only' 2.5%, that is a 97.5% survivability rate!

And yet we still think it was horrible, and the worse pandemic in modern history. Over 670,000 people died in the USA alone.

So far the death rate of COVID in the USA is 630,000. It's catching up.

[rogue06]

Wi-fi!

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I also want to drop this here for MM and Mike who keep making comments like "why would I want to take an experimental vaccine for a disease that has a 99% survivability rate?" and acting like COVID is no worse than a flu.

The mortality rate of the Spanish flu was 'only' 2.5%, that is a 97.5% survivability rate!

And yet we still think it was horrible, and the worse pandemic in modern history. Over 670,000 people died in the USA alone.

So far the death rate of COVID in the USA is 630,000. It's catching up.

To be fair, in a population less than a third of what there is today.

[Sparko]

To be fair, in a population less than a third of what there is today.

Oh yeah. But I was counting actual deaths, not as a percentage of the population. The mortality rate if you caught the Spanish flu was "only" 2.5% and look at the havoc it wrought. So saying Covid is ONLY 1% so why take a vaccine is just a dumb statement.

[rogue06]

Oh yeah. But I was counting actual deaths, not as a percentage of the population. The mortality rate if you caught the Spanish flu was "only" 2.5% and look at the havoc it wrought. So saying Covid is ONLY 1% so why take a vaccine is just a dumb statement.

As an aside, during the Spanish Flu masking mandates were strictly enforced. There was even a man shot by the police for refusing to wear one in public and many others were jailed.

Do you know what is credited with ending it by some historians?

Photos started circulating of some of those who mandated such laws out in public, attending events, while not wearing a mask, and the resulting public outrage

Some things never change.

[Stoic]

Give Stoic a hand fan and throw data that makes democrats look bad, and he'll solve global warming...or at least produce EF5 rated winds, and women in trailer parks with a deep southern accent talking about how it sounded like a freight train.

I'm not surprised by posts without content from MM. I expected better from you.

[CivilDiscourse]

I'm not surprised by posts without content from MM. I expected better from you.

I would, but unfortunately, most posts from you are light handwaves that generally dismiss points as opposed to actively talk about them.

[mikewhitney]

Australia and NZ have both found it worth making extra effort to keep Covid entirely out of their countries, because this means more freedoms within the countries to live life as normal, operate businesses and schools as normal etc. So when cases of covid do break through the border quarantine into the general population, they have to be really vigorously contained, otherwise they would just spread through the population and our countries would become as bad as America (well in the one respect of covid).

One part of that, is that when people are discovered to have Covid (i.e. by testing positive), they are subject to legal orders to quarantine until they are no longer infectious, thus preventing them spreading covid, killing thousands and costing the economy billions of dollars.

The person you mention tested positive for Covid, was told he had covid, and received the legal order to quarantine. And instead of obeying it, he decided he'd go out and about, and went on the run from authorities.

The ridiculousness of this post should be quite evident to most of us. In order to have more freedom, we have to be locked in our houses while losing the ability to see friends and relatives. To have more freedom, we have to obey oppressive forces who strip away all rights and thus make life miserable. If we do not obey these oppressive laws, then we will not have freedom. This is all on the chance that we might stop 1% who might get ill and die because the government has forbidden use of effective treatments like Ivermectin. All this is in the name of living life and enjoying freedom -- even if we don't have a control group that is not being oppressed if perchance the Kiwis are already immune to the disease.

It actually is more important to be able to live our lives while we are alive rather than have such oppressive freedom.