Mass Psychosis

[Mountain Man]

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Is that like how people who buy a product never rate it 1 star afterward? Because they just can't think rationally about it any longer, being so committed to what they bought?

Your photoshopped Nazi picture is pretty pathetic.

It wasn't my Photoshop, and it was in response to Australia's announcement that they are beginning the construction of literal concentration camps for the unvaccinated.

As for your analogy, you actually do find people who will vehemently defend a product they paid for even if it's junk. The more costly the product, the more enthusiastically they will defend it. It's based on the sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes people just can't bring themselves to admit that they may have been ripped off and will loudly extol a product's virtues while laughing off any pointed criticism of it. That seems to be what we're seeing with regard to the China flu vaccines, but when even the inventor of the technology in question has sounded the alarm, you really should take it seriously.

[Starlight]

it was in response to Australia's announcement that they are beginning the construction of literal concentration camps for the unvaccinated.

No. They aren't. Moron. It would be nice if you could get even the basics right at least occasionally.

[Mountain Man]

No. They aren't. Moron. It would be nice if you could get even the basics right at least occasionally.

I see you would rather attack me than address the facts. Typical. What, no response to statements from inventor of mRNA tech Dr. Malone sounding the alarm about the dangers of the China flu vaccines? Not even a pathetic attempt to regale us with personal anecdotes about how you once read one of his papers and chuckled because you're so much smarter than everybody else? No comment regarding the expert testimony presented before the Michigan House of Representative exposing the false premise behind the vaccine mandates?

No, I guess my person presents an easier target when the facts are against you.

[Sparko]

You've gotten "The Jab", right? So you're in the same boat as Sparko in that you have a vested interest in shouting down any facts and data that might convince you that you made a bad bet. It's difficult to the point of being impossible for you to be dispassionate and objective in this debate. As the saying goes, it is far easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled.

Yes, obviously the chip they injected us, turned us into pro-vaccine zombies, bent on infecting the world. Resistance if futile.

[Mountain Man]

In Israel, 50% of patients currently hospitalized due to the China flu are "fully vaccinated", meaning two doses. Israeli doctors are alarmed at just how quickly the vaccines are losing effectiveness.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...er-2021-08-20/

[Mountain Man]

Yes, obviously the chip they injected us, turned us into pro-vaccine zombies, bent on infecting the world. Resistance if futile.

No response to the facts. All you have is mockery.

[rogue06]

You've gotten "The Jab", right? So you're in the same boat as Sparko in that you have a vested interest in shouting down any facts and data that might convince you that you made a bad bet. It's difficult to the point of being impossible for you to be dispassionate and objective in this debate. As the saying goes, it is far easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled.

That does not follow.

I've gotten the jab and I certainly don't have any vested interest in defending that decision. I'm most certainly interested in knowing whether or not I made the right choice. And so far the evidence indicates that I have.

[Sparko]

The so-called "false word vomit article" mirrors what is being said by Dr. Malone, Inventor of the mRNA technology:

A CDC report published today said that viral loads between the vaccinated and unvaccinated are likely “similar,” though “microbiological studies are required to confirm these findings.”

“This is precisely what one would see if antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) was happening,” Malone said regarding higher virus levels among the vaccinated. “What is antibody dependent enhancement? Briefly, it’s that the vaccine causes the virus to become more infectious than would happen in the absence of vaccination, would cause the virus to replicate at higher levels than in the absence of infection.” (See further ADE explanation here)

“This is the vaccinologist’s worst nightmare. It happened with the respiratory syncytial virus and in the ‘60s and caused more child deaths in vaccine recipients than unvaccinated. It happened with Dengvaxia, the dengue vaccine,” Malone continued.

“And it’s happened with virtually every other coronavirus vaccine development program, certainly in humans, known in history, and it’s what the vaccinologists like myself have been warning about since the outset, is the risk of antibody dependent enhancement.”

Malone said that antibody dependent enhancement seems most apparent in people injected with Pfizer’s vaccine. “So, we now know that the Pfizer protection is waning at six months,” he said. “And what the data seem to suggest is those who have received Pfizer, which is probably the least immunogenic of the three in terms of durability, length of protection, people that are now in the waning phase of the immune response to the Pfizer vaccine seem to be getting infected.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mr...ore-dangerous/

But, naturally, you're going to laugh this off and call him a quack or anti-vaxxer because you have no choice. Your mind was irrevocably made up the very second the needle went into your arm, and you are literally unable to objectively consider any contrary data.

I watched another video featuring Dr. Malone explaining why reactions to the vaccine are so severe and so varied: it's because the spike protein that's supposed to trigger an immune response at the site of injection breaks off and travels throughout the whole body causing any number of unpredictable side effects, many of which doctors might be baffled by and not associate with the vaccine because "I've never seen this before." It also doesn't help that sometimes the reactions may not appear for a few weeks making it even harder for people to link them to the actual cause. Not to mention the "Safe and effective" mantra that is being drummed into our collective consciousness. Even physicians are affected by that sort of propaganda.

Oh, and Dr. Malone reported all of this to the FDA months ago, but they ignored it.

Dr. Malone did not invent mRNA vaccine technology. And he seems to be an antivaxx nutjob.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "mRNA vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies." mRNA vaccines are a new sort of vaccine; the COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were the first.

On his personal website, Twitter, and LinkedIn, Dr. Robert Malone has been promoting himself as the inventor of mRNA vaccines. This is misleading. In 1989, Malone published a paper titled "Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection." While this paper is an example of his important contribution to the then-emerging field, it does not make him the inventor of mRNA vaccines.

According to Stat News, "for decades, scientists have dreamed about the seemingly endless possibilities of custom-made messenger RNA or mRNA." According to the New York Times, "For her entire career, Dr. Kariko has focused on messenger RNA, or mRNA — the genetic script that carries DNA instructions to each cell’s protein-making machinery. She was convinced mRNA could be used to instruct cells to make their own medicines, including vaccines."

While Malone's research may have been important, scientific breakthroughs don't always boast a sole "inventor." Instead, they come about through the work of many.

UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment for the claim has not changed.

The COVID-19 pandemic has given rise to a lot of potentially dangerous misinformation. For reliable advice on COVID-19, including symptoms, prevention, and available treatment, please refer to the World Health Organization or your national healthcare authority.

https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

[Stoic]

Ewwww. Now Stoic plays the expert card over against someone more qualified than himself. He was avoiding to make such declarations earlier.

So NOW you think I should trust the expert, and not the data. But not most experts, just the one who says what you want to believe.

Try to be consistent.

[Mountain Man]

Dr. Malone did not invent mRNA vaccine technology. And he seems to be an antivaxx nutjob.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "mRNA vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies." mRNA vaccines are a new sort of vaccine; the COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were the first.

On his personal website, Twitter, and LinkedIn, Dr. Robert Malone has been promoting himself as the inventor of mRNA vaccines. This is misleading. In 1989, Malone published a paper titled "Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection." While this paper is an example of his important contribution to the then-emerging field, it does not make him the inventor of mRNA vaccines.

According to Stat News, "for decades, scientists have dreamed about the seemingly endless possibilities of custom-made messenger RNA or mRNA." According to the New York Times, "For her entire career, Dr. Kariko has focused on messenger RNA, or mRNA — the genetic script that carries DNA instructions to each cell’s protein-making machinery. She was convinced mRNA could be used to instruct cells to make their own medicines, including vaccines."

While Malone's research may have been important, scientific breakthroughs don't always boast a sole "inventor." Instead, they come about through the work of many.

UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment for the claim has not changed.

The COVID-19 pandemic has given rise to a lot of potentially dangerous misinformation. For reliable advice on COVID-19, including symptoms, prevention, and available treatment, please refer to the World Health Organization or your national healthcare authority.

https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

Of course, anybody who is in a position to convince you that you made the wrong decision getting the vaccine must be an "antivaxx nutjob".

Okay, you're right, speaking purely technically, he didn't invent mRNA itself, but he did invent "the vaccine technology platform" based on mRNA, so this would seem to be a case of splitting hairs (Hypatia_Alexendria would be proud of you). The point, of course, is that he's a leading expert in this discussion and is clearly someone we should be listening to when he sounds the alarm about the dangers of the China flu vaccines.

Also, Dr. Malone is in favor of vaccines in general, and in the video I posted above (the round table discussion with the three doctors), he actually defends mRNA vaccine technology. However, like many people, he has reasonable, fact based concerns about the China flu vaccine in particular.

[Stoic]

I post a video featuring expert testimony, and your response is to basically say, "Nuh-uh!" Very convincing.

The evidence backing up what I said has already been provided in this thread. Sorry you missed it.

To reiterate what the expert says, vaccines do not prevent someone from contracting or transmitting a virus, they only prevent symptoms (meaning the premise behind the China flu vaccine mandates is false),

And yet these vaccines have been shown to reduce the likelihood of one contracting the virus.

and vaccines make you more susceptible to variants of the disease against which you were inoculated (which is why we're seeing an increasing number of vaccinated people suffering from the Delta variant, and why we're on the path to governments requiring booster shots every six-months). Again, this is based on expert testimony.

If new variants caused vaccinated people to have more severe disease, we would be seeing it. But we aren't.

If you don't trust me on that, trust the real experts.

Are you another one who got "The Jab" and are therefore unable to look at the facts objectively?

Ad hominem arguments will get you nowhere.

[Sparko]

Of course, anybody who is in a position to convince you that you made the wrong decision getting the vaccine must be an "antivaxx nutjob".

Okay, you're right, speaking purely technically, he didn't invent mRNA itself, but he did invent "the vaccine technology platform" based on mRNA, so this would seem to be a case of splitting hairs (Hypatia_Alexendria would be proud of you). The point, of course, is that he's a leading expert in this discussion and is clearly someone we should be listening to when he sounds the alarm about the dangers of the China flu vaccines.

Also, Dr. Malone is in favor of vaccines in general, and in the video I posted above (the round table discussion with the three doctors), he actually defends mRNA vaccine technology. However, like many people, he has reasonable, fact based concerns about the China flu vaccine in particular.

No, he didn't invent "the vaccine technology platform" based on mRNA. Read the link.

Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment for the claim has not changed.

[Mountain Man]

No, he didn't invent "the vaccine technology platform" based on mRNA. Read the link.

Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment for the claim has not changed.

Come on, Sparko, you're smarter than this. Nobody is claiming that he invented the China flu vaccines What he invented was the "vaccine technology platform" based on mRNA tech that is being used in the China flu vaccines, and he is telling us that those vaccines are dangerous. He is an expert. He knows what he's talking about, and he deserves to taken seriously, not dismissed as a quack.

[Sparko]

Come on, Sparko, you're smarter than this. Nobody is claiming that he invented the China flu vaccines What he invented was the "vaccine technology platform" based on mRNA tech that is being used in the China flu vaccines, and he is telling us that those vaccines are dangerous. He is an expert. He knows what he's talking about, and he deserves to taken seriously, not dismissed as a quack.

No, he doesn't. The only reason you listen to him is because he is "on your side"

You are as bad as Mike when it comes to cherry picking and confirmation bias on this topic.

[Mountain Man]

The evidence backing up what I said has already been provided in this thread. Sorry you missed it.



And yet these vaccines have been shown to reduce the likelihood of one contracting the virus.


If new variants caused vaccinated people to have more severe disease, we would be seeing it. But we aren't.

If you don't trust me on that, trust the real experts.



Ad hominem arguments will get you nowhere.

The data is there. 50% of Israelis currently hospitalized for the China flu are those who were fully vaccinated, and it appears they are getting hit harder by Delta than those who are unvaccinated. Israeli health officials are alarmed at how quickly the vaccines are losing effectiveness and leaving their citizens even more vulnerable than before.

In Massachusetts, 74% of those infected with the china flu were fully vaccinated and were found to be carrying at least as much of the virus as an infected unvaccinated individual.

mRNA vaccine expert Dr. Malone warns about the potential for serious side effects from the China flu vaccines and how the vaccines will leave people more susceptible to variants.

Expert testimony before the Michigan House of Representatives supports echoes these findings.

As I said before, we can play "dueling experts" all day if you really want (I don't want). The discussion should really focus on which expert opinions are actually supported by the data. From what I'm seeing, those who are warning about the dangers of the China flu vaccines have the science on their side. Of course this won't sit well with those who have taken the proverbial "leap of faith", and, frankly, the reaction from that camp is not a surprise.