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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostThat makes no sense. Is an attribute somehow the entire nature???. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostI think people are referring more to God's moral character and abilities never changing.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou indicated you are a baptist once. Have you taken your ideas about God's nature to your pastor and see what he thinks?
Immutability with God is fundamental. Mutability also had to have always been or there would a departure from immutability. And there is no departure of immutability nor can there have been. So mutability also has to always to have been with God in some way.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBut it is all interpreted. The Jehovah's Witnesses will say that they hold to the word of God according to the 66 books of the bible, but they sure interpret them differently. They claim that Jesus is not God at all, but the incarnation of Michael the Arch-angel, for example. They interpret John 1:1 to say that the son was "another God"
There are also cults that believe that the Father came down and became the Son, and is now the Holy Spirit. Modalism. They will tell you they believe the 66 books of the bible too.
Who God is is an essential. One God revealed as three distinct persons. When you start making up various other natures based on your private interpretations, then you have gone beyond the bible and orthodoxy. Which is what you seem to be doing. Baptists do not believe what you have been claiming about God and Christ and these other "temporal" natures and immutability. That is your own interpretation and idea. That is why it is important to check your own ideas against other Christians, and your pastor, to make sure you haven't wandered into heresy.
This needs to be said: Error is the denial of truth. All groups making claims to be Christian make some kind of claims to the 66 books we call the Bible. But the false teachings all have in common is there teachings are always the Bible plus another authority. Not the written word of God alone. Not sola scriptura.
Biblical errors either adds to the word of God or denies some explicit teaching of the word of God.
Do you know an exception?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe godhead, tritheism denies one God, unitarianism denies the deity of Christ, Arianism denies the deity of Christ, Modalism denies the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All of those things being denied can be shown to be taught in the Bible.
This needs to be said: Error is the denial of truth. All groups making claims to be Christian make some kind of claims to the 66 books we call the Bible. But the false teachings all have in common is there teachings are always the Bible plus another authority. Not the written word of God alone. Not sola scriptura.
Biblical errors either adds to the word of God or denies some explicit teaching of the word of God.
Do you know an exception?
Truths:You still lack one thingWhat is impossible with man is possible with God
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Originally posted by Marta View PostTruths:You still lack one thingWhat is impossible with man is possible with God. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostSo are you denying the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? What is your point?"Be Careful Lest the Light in You Be Darkness ""I am the light of the world (John 8:12; 9:5). I am the lamp that must not be hidden or missed."Last edited by Marta; 04-27-2017, 12:33 AM.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostSo are you denying the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? What is your point?
13:8-13 Charity is much to be preferred to the gifts on which the Corinthians prided themselves. From its longer continuance. It is a grace, lasting as eternity. The present state is a state of childhood, the future that of manhood. Such is the difference between earth and heaven. What narrow views, what confused notions of things, have children when compared with grown men! Thus shall we think of our most valued gifts of this world, when we come to heaven. All things are dark and confused now, compared with what they will be hereafter. They can only be seen as by the reflection in a mirror, or in the description of a riddle; but hereafter our knowledge will be free from all obscurity and error. It is the light of heaven only, that will remove all clouds and darkness that hide the face of God from us. To sum up the excellences of charity, it is preferred not only to gifts, but to other graces, to faith and hope. Faith fixes on the Divine revelation, and assents thereto, relying on the Divine Redeemer. Hope fastens on future happiness, and waits for that; but in heaven, faith will be swallowed up in actual sight, and hope in enjoyment. There is no room to believe and hope, when we see and enjoy. But there, love will be made perfect. There we shall perfectly love God. And there we shall perfectly love one another. Blessed state! how much surpassing the best below! God is love, 1Jo 4:8,16. Where God is to be seen as he is, and face to face, there charity is in its greatest height; there only will it be perfected.
1 Corinthians 13:12 Commentaries
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Originally posted by Marta View PostMatthew Henry Commentary
13:8-13 Charity is much to be preferred to the gifts on which the Corinthians prided themselves. From its longer continuance. It is a grace, lasting as eternity. The present state is a state of childhood, the future that of manhood. Such is the difference between earth and heaven. What narrow views, what confused notions of things, have children when compared with grown men! Thus shall we think of our most valued gifts of this world, when we come to heaven. All things are dark and confused now, compared with what they will be hereafter. They can only be seen as by the reflection in a mirror, or in the description of a riddle; but hereafter our knowledge will be free from all obscurity and error. It is the light of heaven only, that will remove all clouds and darkness that hide the face of God from us. To sum up the excellences of charity, it is preferred not only to gifts, but to other graces, to faith and hope. Faith fixes on the Divine revelation, and assents thereto, relying on the Divine Redeemer. Hope fastens on future happiness, and waits for that; but in heaven, faith will be swallowed up in actual sight, and hope in enjoyment. There is no room to believe and hope, when we see and enjoy. But there, love will be made perfect. There we shall perfectly love God. And there we shall perfectly love one another. Blessed state! how much surpassing the best below! God is love, 1Jo 4:8,16. Where God is to be seen as he is, and face to face, there charity is in its greatest height; there only will it be perfected.
1 Corinthians 13:12 Commentaries. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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1 Corinthians 2: ,
. . .it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. . . .
God has give His believers His Holy Spirit to understand His will [Romans 8:9; 2 Corinthians 13:5; 1 John 2:27]. You did not answer my questions: Do you deny the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? And what was your point?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostYou did not answer my two questions. Are you denying the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? And what was your point? Not some else's commentary on what is apparently irrelevant to the topic.
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Originally posted by 37818 View Post[box]1 Corinthians 2: ,
God has give His believers His Holy Spirit to understand His will [Romans 8:9; 2 Corinthians 13:5; 1 John 2:27]. You did not answer my questions: Do you deny the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? And what was your point?
Where was it written of any denial to anything? I didn't! Again, you said:
- and I quote, "The godhead, tritheism denies one God, unitarianism denies the deity of Christ, Arianism denies the deity of Christ, Modalism denies the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All of those things being denied can be shown to be taught in the Bible.
This needs to be said: Error is the denial of truth. All groups making claims to be Christian make some kind of claims to the 66 books we call the Bible. But the false teachings all have in common is there teachings are always the Bible plus another authority. Not the written word of God alone. Not sola scriptura.
Biblical errors either adds to the word of God or denies some explicit teaching of the word of God.
Do you know an exception?
I going in the same direction with this article.......Last edited by Marta; 04-27-2017, 01:33 PM.
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Originally posted by Marta View PostWhere was it written of any denial to anything? I didn't! Again, you said:
and I quote, "The godhead, tritheism denies one God, unitarianism denies the deity of Christ, Arianism denies the deity of Christ, Modalism denies the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All of those things being denied can be shown to be taught in the Bible.
This needs to be said: Error is the denial of truth. All groups making claims to be Christian make some kind of claims to the 66 books we call the Bible. But the false teachings all have in common is there teachings are always the Bible plus another authority. Not the written word of God alone. Not sola scriptura.
Biblical errors either adds to the word of God or denies some explicit teaching of the word of God.
Do you know an exception?
<snip>.... . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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