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    According to Paul, Satan will be revealed before Christ's return. Per Daniel he will be in Jerusalem claiming to be God. We know from Jesus' testimony that many will be deceived believing Christ has returned. The trouble is, Satan will look like the real deal able to perform signs and wonders. Lucifer was made the full pattern, so you can bet Satan will be a charismatic handsome looking guy, claiming to be Jesus returned.

    Those who get deceived into believing Christ has returned will find it very easy to worship him as God when everybody is saying Jesus is God.

    Except, Jesus is not God. Jesus' father is God, and Jesus is God's son. Before trying to explain how Jesus is God, or before trying to debate the issue, first consider if you would win a debate against Jesus. Alive from the beginning, Jesus has more knowledge than any man born. He it is who says his father is God. Can you disagree?

    It may be the idea that Jesus is God is of satanic origin for just the very purpose stated above, so that many would worship him when he shows up. However well meaning it sounds, the falseness of it gives Satan that advantage. For example, Peter did not want Jesus to go to Jerusalem to be crucified.

    Matthew 16:22
    Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, “Oh no, Lord! This will never happen to you!”

    It sounds like he was concerned, right? But what did Jesus say?

    Matthew 16:23
    Jesus turned and told Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me because you’re not thinking about God’s concerns but human concerns.”

    Was Peter Satan? No, but he had satanic ideas, even as well meaning as he thought he was. So it is similar with the 'Jesus is God' idea, it sounds perfect, but it very well could be of satanic origin. I suggest we should all avoid affirming it because it is a false statement. Jesus is not God. Consider carefully his words:

    Luke 18:19
    “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “No one is good except God alone.
    Last edited by Larry Serflaten; 01-25-2024, 09:35 AM.

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    So when Jesus comes back he will be the Antichrist????

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    • #3
      Jesus is God.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Larry Serflaten View Post
        According to Paul, Satan will be revealed before Christ's return. Per Daniel he will be in Jerusalem claiming to be God. We know from Jesus' testimony that many will be deceived believing Christ has returned. The trouble is, Satan will look like the real deal able to perform signs and wonders. Lucifer was made the full pattern, so you can bet Satan will be a charismatic handsome looking guy, claiming to be Jesus returned.

        Those who get deceived into believing Christ has returned will find it very easy to worship him as God when everybody is saying Jesus is God.

        Except, Jesus is not God. Jesus' father is God, and Jesus is God's son. Before trying to explain how Jesus is God, or before trying to debate the issue, first consider if you would win a debate against Jesus. Alive from the beginning, Jesus has more knowledge than any man born. He it is who says his father is God. Can you disagree?

        It may be the idea that Jesus is God is of satanic origin for just the very purpose stated above, so that many would worship him when he shows up. However well meaning it sounds, the falseness of it gives Satan that advantage. For example, Peter did not want Jesus to go to Jerusalem to be crucified.

        Matthew 16:22
        Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, “Oh no, Lord! This will never happen to you!”

        It sounds like he was concerned, right? But what did Jesus say?

        Matthew 16:23
        Jesus turned and told Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me because you’re not thinking about God’s concerns but human concerns.”

        Was Peter Satan? No, but he had satanic ideas, even as well meaning as he thought he was. So it is similar with the 'Jesus is God' idea, it sounds perfect, but it very well could be of satanic origin. I suggest we should all avoid affirming it because it is a false statement. Jesus is not God. Consider carefully his words:

        Luke 18:19
        “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “No one is good except God alone.
        John 10:30 among others

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Larry Serflaten View Post
          According to Paul, Satan will be revealed before Christ's return. Per Daniel he will be in Jerusalem claiming to be God. We know from Jesus' testimony that many will be deceived believing Christ has returned. The trouble is, Satan will look like the real deal able to perform signs and wonders. Lucifer was made the full pattern, so you can bet Satan will be a charismatic handsome looking guy, claiming to be Jesus returned.

          Those who get deceived into believing Christ has returned will find it very easy to worship him as God when everybody is saying Jesus is God.

          Except, Jesus is not God. Jesus' father is God, and Jesus is God's son. Before trying to explain how Jesus is God, or before trying to debate the issue, first consider if you would win a debate against Jesus. Alive from the beginning, Jesus has more knowledge than any man born. He it is who says his father is God. Can you disagree?

          It may be the idea that Jesus is God is of satanic origin for just the very purpose stated above, so that many would worship him when he shows up. However well meaning it sounds, the falseness of it gives Satan that advantage. For example, Peter did not want Jesus to go to Jerusalem to be crucified.

          Matthew 16:22
          Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, “Oh no, Lord! This will never happen to you!”

          It sounds like he was concerned, right? But what did Jesus say?

          Matthew 16:23
          Jesus turned and told Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me because you’re not thinking about God’s concerns but human concerns.”

          Was Peter Satan? No, but he had satanic ideas, even as well meaning as he thought he was. So it is similar with the 'Jesus is God' idea, it sounds perfect, but it very well could be of satanic origin. I suggest we should all avoid affirming it because it is a false statement. Jesus is not God. Consider carefully his words:

          Luke 18:19
          “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “No one is good except God alone.
          What denomination do you belong to?

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            If Jesus isn't God, why does he never rebuke anyone for worshiping him (Mat. 8:2, Mat. 9:18, Mat. 14:33, Mat. 15:25, Mat. 28:9, Mat. 28:17, Mark 5:6, Luke 24:52, John 9:38)? When anyone else is worshiped, a rebuke is given (Acts 10:25, Rev. 19:10; see also Mat. 4:10, Luke 4:8).
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            • #7
              "John 10:30 among others"

              John 17:21 If being 'one' means being God, then are we all included?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                If Jesus isn't God, why does he never rebuke anyone for worshiping him (Mat. 8:2, Mat. 9:18, Mat. 14:33, Mat. 15:25, Mat. 28:9, Mat. 28:17, Mark 5:6, Luke 24:52, John 9:38)? When anyone else is worshiped, a rebuke is given (Acts 10:25, Rev. 19:10; see also Mat. 4:10, Luke 4:8).
                A. Jesus could be a very gentle man, he would not discourage fledgling faith.
                B. You do not know if a rebuke was or was not given, all you know is that a rebuke was not recorded.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Larry Serflaten View Post
                  B. You do not know if a rebuke was or was not given, all you know is that a rebuke was not recorded.
                  That would be a horribly glaring oversight on God's part.
                  (You believe the Bible was "God-breathed", yes?)

                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Larry Serflaten View Post

                    A. Jesus could be a very gentle man, he would not discourage fledgling faith.
                    B. You do not know if a rebuke was or was not given, all you know is that a rebuke was not recorded.
                    His response to the money-changers at the Temple would argue against His being "a very gentle man." Jesus never had any trouble calling people out -- and often with anything but polite language.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      That would be a horribly glaring oversight on God's part.
                      (You believe the Bible was "God-breathed", yes?)
                      Showing reverence, a bow of the head, a kiss of the hand, may be what 'worship' meant to that author. Would such actions be out of line to someone who is healing the sick and helping the blind to see?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Larry Serflaten View Post

                        Showing reverence, a bow of the head, a kiss of the hand, may be what 'worship' meant to that author. Would such actions be out of line to someone who is healing the sick and helping the blind to see?
                        The Jewish leaders fully grasped that Jesus was claiming equality with God, to the extent that they attempted to stone Him for blasphemy.

                        Scripture Verse: John 8

                        58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

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                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          His response to the money-changers at the Temple would argue against His being "a very gentle man." Jesus never had any trouble calling people out -- and often with anything but polite language.
                          Yes, Jesus could be abrasive, and he could be constructive, that is not in dispute.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Larry Serflaten View Post
                            Those who get deceived into believing Christ has returned will find it very easy to worship him as God when everybody is saying Jesus is God.

                            Are you saying when Jesus returns he will be Satan/the AntiChrist because people will worship him as God?


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                              "The Jewish leaders fully grasped that Jesus was claiming equality with God, to the extent that they attempted to stone Him for blasphemy."


                              Whose fault was it that they did not grasp what he meant?

                              John 10: 33,36

                              33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

                              36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?


                              They said he said one thing, he said he said another. Larger wars have been started over small misunderstandings....

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