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1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
All the way back to long before Nicaea, commentators have presented (from time to time) simple and easily understood models for the trinity, these having been based on human existence
Originally posted by tabibito View PostQuite simply put: man, male and female, is created in the image and likeness of God""It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Hello! Thanks again for adding to the stream of consciousness that is this thread!
Just a quick question: The whole mind body and soul thing...could a fourth be added? Could you creatively abstract a fourth here? Perhaps the Spirit? As in mind- body- soul- spirit? (The Bible seems to make a distinction between the soul and spirit.)
Also, earlier in the thread I mentioned what Ayn Rand identified as the 3 fundamental axioms: Existence, Consciousness and Identity. Could a fourth be creatively synthesized and be made to fit functionally as the 4 basic axioms?
"Why those models have not been generally adopted is unknown, but I suspect that it is because they are not mysterious enough." -Tabibito
Yeah, it's got to have that element of mystery, otherwise it can't survive.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThis was the fundamental problem within Christianity, namely the attempt to reconcile the monotheism of Judaism with its ineffable and invisible deity and the Hellenised concepts of anthropomorphic deities. This problem has never really gone away and hence today there are still non-Trinitarian denominations in existence.
Even after the First Council of Nicaea the issue was far from resolved and following that council where the party of Alexander [Trinitarians/Nicene Creed] had proven victorious over Arius [subordinationism] many Eastern bishops later withdrew their support for the imperial policy of Homoousion [as stated in the Nicene Creed]. They were led by Eusebius of Nicomedia, one of the chief advocates for the Arian cause. Despite accepting the Homoousion creed at Nicaea, he had refused to condemn Arius and for this Constantine deposed and exiled him. He was recalled within a matter of years and became Constantine’s confidant. Constantine wished to achieve a consensus theology to be established in the East and it was Eusebius who represented this recidivist move away from Nicaea much to the annoyance of Athanasius, whom Eusebius managed to depose at the Arianizing Synod in Tyre in 335 CE. In 341 CE he presided over the Dedication Council at Antioch.
This event marked the ascendancy of official Arianism for the next generation in the East. It changed when Theodosius I became Augustus of the East in 375 as he supported the Nicene creed. He later became sole emperor in 392 and reigned until 395. However, prior to that those last decades of the fourth century saw imperial Christianity effectively split with the two Augusti supporting different belief as Valentinian II [375-392] in the West remained a Homoean [i.e. a subordinationist].
The only way that a Triune Godhead could be established by the dominant Christian group was by force i.e. Imperial decree with penalties [often very severe] for anyone who disagreed/dissented. It was essentially a political decision.
How you been? It's good to hear your thoughts again!
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Originally posted by Machinist View Post
The history and evolution of the idea is fascinating. I wish I had more time to delve into it. Sovereignty of God however would resolve this. I know that's most likely not a satisfying answer, but I would venture to say that most Christians would counter with that.
How you been? It's good to hear your thoughts again!
If you can find a copy second hand or even online a very good overview of this period and this problem is Charles Freeman's book AD 381: Heretics, Pagans and the Christian State. It is not overly long [about 200 pages excluding appendix, notes, bibliography, and index]
Take care
H_A"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Machinist View PostHello! Thanks again for adding to the stream of consciousness that is this thread!
Just a quick question: The whole mind body and soul thing...could a fourth be added? Could you creatively abstract a fourth here? Perhaps the Spirit? As in mind- body- soul- spirit? (The Bible seems to make a distinction between the soul and spirit.)
Also, earlier in the thread I mentioned what Ayn Rand identified as the 3 fundamental axioms: Existence, Consciousness and Identity. Could a fourth be creatively synthesized and be made to fit functionally as the 4 basic axioms?
"Why those models have not been generally adopted is unknown, but I suspect that it is because they are not mysterious enough." -Tabibito
Yeah, it's got to have that element of mystery, otherwise it can't survive.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
.⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
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An image with a four-fold structure, usually square or circular and symmetrical; psychologically, it points to the idea of wholeness
This is Quaternity Theory per the internet. Jung was fascinated by the idea of Quaternity so i've read. Can anyone here talk about this?
Maybe God is a Forinity
and not a Trinity
testing out a theory here
I can impose 4
and I can impose 3
upon any imagined construct of reality
I've been thinking more about the 3 foldness though, and it still seems like 3 ness is the fundamental reality: Existence, Consciousness, and Identity. Could a fourth be added to this list? If so what, what would be the best addition?
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I'm seeing the Trinity everywhere!
The other major semiotic theory, developed by C. S. Peirce, defines the sign as a triadic relation as "something that stands for something, to someone in some capacity"[1] This means that a sign is a relation between the sign vehicle (the specific physical form of the sign), a sign object (the aspect of the world that the sign carries meaning about) and an interpretant (the meaning of the sign as understood by an interpreter)
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