Originally posted by footwasher
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I think some of the verses mentioned in the thread have been misapplied. So Christians feel obligated to be joyful even when they are not. This produces the fakeness you're perceiving.
After all let's face it, most Christians aren't as mature as Paul and to expect Paul-like behavior from them is unrealistic."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Good. With that out of the way, let's continue in building up one another.
Jesus taught that grounds for rejoicing was that one worked to keep his name in the book of life, have eternal life.
John taught that one could know that this was happening by the love present in the believer's life.
1 John 4:7Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
Which interestingly is to help others have eternal life:
John 15:13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 17:3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Now, obedience IS sacrifice. Unless a seed dies it cannot bear fruit. Which means over thinking, saying hard truths.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostnoLast edited by footwasher; 01-05-2015, 06:32 PM.
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One shouldn't make obedience antithetical to sacrifice. Obedience requires sacrifice. Saul did not sacrifice. He usurped Samuel's ministry. Samuel was being sarcastic.
Keeping Jesus' commands is gonna involve plenty o' sacrifice.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJohn 15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.
It's a lot more simple than you're trying to make it.Last edited by footwasher; 01-05-2015, 06:49 PM.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostOne shouldn't make obedience antithetical to sacrifice. Obedience requires sacrifice. Saul did not sacrifice. He usurped Samuel's ministry. Samuel was being sarcastic.
And LEARN HOW TO QUOTE!!!!!! Comments FOLLOW the quote, not precede it!
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostKeeping Jesus' commands is gonna involve plenty o' sacrifice.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou need joy.
And LEARN HOW TO QUOTE!!!!!! Comments FOLLOW the quote, not precede it!
Last edited by footwasher; 01-05-2015, 06:58 PM.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostYo' jes provin mah point.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostWhich is in picking up ones cross. Saying hard truths being one way. Hey I don't enjoy being opposed. Just enjoy being in God's will.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostSo what exactly does joy, derived from the Holy Spirit, look like?
I'm not saying any of those should be pursued for joy's sake but those can be ways that you see it. No shame in a sober manner.
The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.
-1 Peter 4:7Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5
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