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    So what exactly does joy, derived from the Holy Spirit, look like? I often see believers acting super-smiley much of the time. Quite frankly it makes me uncomfortable when I'm in their midst. I feel pressured to exert this overtly joyous disposition, and if I don't, it's almost as if I am avoided and/or marginalized - like negativity is the devil or a sober, serious disposition is bordering on demonically possessed. Now I am exaggerating of course but It is nonetheless a bit perplexing to me because I find that same joyous disposition amongst people of the world and or amongst cultic positive-thinking advocates. Now don't get me wrong, I am actually not a negative person or always gloomy, I can be quite flamboyant, but generally it is tempered with seriousness much of the time. Now of course there are plenty of unbelievers who are likewise flamboyant at times but temper that child-like energy with seriousness, so by no means am I attempting to highlight the joy of the more "not smiling is sin" believers as an inauthentic, worldly joy, but I do find it somewhat disconcerting. Any insight is more than welcome.

  • #2
    It deserves a word study. The word meaning cheerfulness, denoting a calm delight. (Strong's) It is used some 59 times in the KJV. I had not given it much thought other than it is part of the fruit of the Spirit, which all of us have, being Christians.

    And Jesus' words, ". . . These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and [that] your joy might be full. . . . " -- John 15:11.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
      It deserves a word study. The word meaning cheerfulness, denoting a calm delight. (Strong's) It is used some 59 times in the KJV. I had not given it much thought other than it is part of the fruit of the Spirit, which all of us have, being Christians.

      And Jesus' words, ". . . These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and [that] your joy might be full. . . . " -- John 15:11.
      Oh wow a calm delight. Certainly this is what I experience. Thank-you man.

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      • #4
        I see it as a kind of contentment, regardless of the circumstances one finds oneself in. It doesn't mean we don't experience sadness or grief, and it certainly doesn't mean putting a phony face on.

        Just my opinion, though. The word study is good.


        Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
          Oh wow a calm delight. Certainly this is what I experience. Thank-you man.
          You are very welcome and thank you. I'm glad I was able to help. You got me to ponder this.
          . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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          • #6
            I have long thought of that joy as gladness. I am so glad that I know Christ.
            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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            • #7
              That's right, it can't be faked. If you're not in the kingdom, you can't feel the emotion:

              Romans 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
              Last edited by footwasher; 01-05-2015, 02:17 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                I see it as a kind of contentment, regardless of the circumstances one finds oneself in. It doesn't mean we don't experience sadness or grief, and it certainly doesn't mean putting a phony face on.

                Just my opinion, though. The word study is good.
                Yeah, "happiness" depends on "happenings", or circumstances. Joy comes from within, and gives you that sense of "all is well" even in challenging circumstances. An assurance that God is in control, and nothing catches Him by surprise.
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #9
                  What is the kingdom of God? It is being in that state of unity with the Godhead:

                  John 17:20“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

                  One is mistaken in thinking that joy is found in success. Not so. It is being in the will of God:

                  Luke 10:17The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” 18And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning. 19“Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. 20“Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by footwasher View Post
                    One is mistaken in thinking that joy is found in success.

                    A) Who claimed that?
                    2) Depend on your definition of success.
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #11
                      The first misunderstanding is that those who rejoice are the ones who believe they are going to "heaven". This would explain the smiles on the face of the we see at Christian gatherings.

                      We have plenty of scripture that describes the unpleasant surprise waiting for those who thought this. If you study the passages closely, they each had different reasons for their confidence, but what they really lacked was that they had not "gathered". You are either gathering or scattering. There really is no middle ground. It's what gets the 72 into the Book of Life

                      The second misunderstanding is that people think they need to be successful in this gathering to STAY in the Book of Life:

                      Exodus 32:32"But now, if You will, forgive their sin-- and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!"

                      Not so. You just have to stay with the program. You are not the bus. You are only the conductor:

                      Numbers 20:12But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you have not believed Me, to treat Me as holy in the sight of the sons of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them.”




                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      A) Who claimed that?
                      2) Depend on your definition of success.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by footwasher View Post
                        The first misunderstanding is that those who rejoice are the ones who believe they are going to "heaven". This would explain the smiles on the face of the we see at Christian gatherings.

                        We have plenty of scripture that describes the unpleasant surprise waiting for those who thought this. If you study the passages closely, they each had different reasons for their confidence, but what they really lacked was that they had not "gathered". You are either gathering or scattering. There really is no middle ground. It's what gets the 72 into the Book of Life

                        The second misunderstanding is that people think they need to be successful in this gathering to STAY in the Book of Life:

                        Exodus 32:32"But now, if You will, forgive their sin-- and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!"

                        Not so. You just have to stay with the program. You are not the bus. You are only the conductor:

                        Numbers 20:12But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you have not believed Me, to treat Me as holy in the sight of the sons of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them.”
                        You're really over thinking this, brother. The joy of the Lord is my strength.

                        And "success" could be defined in the eyes of the Christian as being obedient to Christ.
                        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                        • #13
                          "Obedient"? So you are not "sola fide"?

                          :)

                          Better to over think than to over expect.

                          God's people perish for lack of knowledge.

                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          You're really over thinking this, brother. The joy of the Lord is my strength.

                          And "success" could be defined in the eyes of the Christian as being obedient to Christ.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by footwasher View Post
                            "Obedient"? So you are not "sola fide"?
                            I think you're just looking for an argument. Obedience brings us joy, not Salvation. And obedience is better than sacrifice.
                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • #15
                              1 Who claimed that?
                              2 Define salvation.

                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              I think you're just looking for an argument. Obedience brings us joy, not Salvation. And obedience is better than sacrifice.

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