Can't Even Liberals Agree That This Is Immoral?

[Cerebrum123]

For medical research, or are you against that as well?

When it's done in this way, yes. I'm also against people being murdered so their organs can go on the black market. I see no difference between the situation I described, and the one being discussed here.

[Jaecp]

When it's done in this way, yes. I'm also against people being murdered so their organs can go on the black market. I see no difference between the situation I described, and the one being discussed here.

Except, you know, all the really obvious ones

[Cerebrum123]

Except, you know, all the really obvious ones

Okay, I see one. Abortion is legal, murder is not. And no, "personhood" is not an argument. It's claptrap that's consistently been used to rationalize killing of people who are not liked.

[KingsGambit]

Quick question: Is PP selling or donating the organs? I've heard different claims.

[Jaecp]

They are donated

[Jaecp]

Okay, I see one. Abortion is legal, murder is not. And no, "personhood" is not an argument. It's claptrap that's consistently been used to rationalize killing of people who are not liked.

*yawn*

One is being done for the sole purpose of acquiring the organs for financial benefit and in the other the procedure is being done anyway and then you have the option to donate or no where the party has no financial benefit.

These are two radically different situations and while I'm sure all your anti-abortion buddies are going to high five you for comparing it to the black market organ trade you've got to know its a stupid line of reasoning.

[JimL]

Okay, I see one. Abortion is legal, murder is not. And no, "personhood" is not an argument. It's claptrap that's consistently been used to rationalize killing of people who are not liked.

The question is not whether a fetus is human in nature, it is, the question is whether or not a fetus is a human being. A piece of dandruff from my scalp is human, but it isn't a human being.

[Jaecp]

The question is not whether a fetus is human in nature, it is, the question is whether or not a fetus is a human being. A piece of dandruff from my scalp is human, but it isn't a human being.

Personhood isn't even a the line of reasoning here that matters for the comparison.

[Cow Poke]

These are two radically different situations and while I'm sure all your anti-abortion buddies are going to high five you....

I amen'd his post just because of this dumb comment.

[Papa Zoom]

For medical research, or are you against that as well?

Of course I'm not against medical research. But killing the unborn, harvesting their organs, then making them available for research purposes seems rather gruesome to me. Barbaric really.

[Papa Zoom]

They are donated

They are "donated" but receiving agencies do pay for "costs."

[Jaecp]

They are "donated" but receiving agencies do pay for "costs."

Yes, they pay shipping and handling. Got a point?

[JimL]

Of course I'm not against medical research. But killing the unborn, harvesting their organs, then making them available for research purposes seems rather gruesome to me. Barbaric really.

It would be gruesome if the unborn were actually human beings, and to you it is because to you a fetus is an actual human being, but that is a matter of opinion for which there is no consensus which is why the courts have left the only opinion that matters that of the pregnant woman. Once a woman opts for an abortion, the issue changes which is specifically what we are discussing here. Is it wrong to use human tissue for medical research that could help the living or is that barbaric?

[Papa Zoom]

Yes, they pay shipping and handling. Got a point?

Well that is a clarifying point. The "charges" are estimates and in many cases they do make a small profit. The video makes that clear although they don't refer to it as profit.

[Papa Zoom]

It would be gruesome if the unborn were actually human beings, and to you it is because to you a fetus is an actual human being, but that is a matter of opinion for which there is no consensus which is why the courts have left the only opinion that matters that of the pregnant woman. Once a woman opts for an abortion, the issue changes which is specifically what we are discussing here. Is it wrong to use human tissue for medical research that could help the living or is that barbaric?

Well you are completely uninformed then. Or way behind the times. Unborn babies are human beings. They are beings and that's a scientific fact. They are a particular kind of being. That kind of being = human.

You don't even understand the question. Is it wrong to kill the unborn (human beings) and harvest their organs like heart, lungs, livers, muscle, head, brain, and process those body parts to organizations that do in fact sell a product made from those human body parts?

And spare me the "help the living" nonsense. You are killing a helpless baby yet unborn to help the "living?" The unborn are living human beings. That is why this issue has not died down since 73 and it never will.