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  • Can't Even Liberals Agree That This Is Immoral?

    Can they legally do this?

    An antiabortion group on Tuesday released an undercover video of an official at Planned Parenthood discussing in graphic detail how to abort a fetus to preserve its organs for medical research — as well as the costs associated with sharing that tissue with scientists.

    Over lunch at a Los Angeles restaurant, two antiabortion activists posing as employees from a biotech firm met with Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical research. Armed with cameras, the activists recorded Nucatola talking about Planned Parenthood’s work donating fetal tissue to researchers and pressed her on whether the clinics were charging for the organs.

    The Center for Medical Progress, which recorded and edited the video, says the footage proves that Planned Parenthood is breaking the law by selling fetal organs. But the video does not show Nucatola explicitly talking about selling organs. The Planned Parenthood official says the organization is “very, very sensitive” about being perceived as illegally profiting from organ sales and charges only for the cost, for instance, of shipping the tissue.

    “I’d say a lot of people want liver,” she says in the video posted on the Center for Medical Progress’s Web site, between bites of salad. “And for that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps.”

    She continues: “We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...059_story.html
    Last edited by seer; 07-15-2015, 11:27 AM.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Can they legally do this?
    Can they legally do what? Is what immoral?

    Posing as a medical technician?
    Filming some-one without their knowledge?
    Releasing graphic material?
    Deceptive editing?
    Misrepresentation?
    Selling organ material?
    Profiting from such sales?
    Distributing organ material?
    Re-using organ material from abortions?
    Using organ material for medical research?
    Performing abortions in such a way that organ material remains usable?
    Performing abortions?
    Not marking omitted material in quotes?

    I think some of the above are immoral, some may be illegal, and some are neither.

    Roy
    Last edited by Roy; 07-15-2015, 12:17 PM. Reason: typo
    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

    mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

    Mountain Man: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
    Mountain Man: … this is how liberals argue these days, with labels instead of ideas.

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    • #3
      Fortunately, like most stories associated with James O'Keefe it's not true:

      http://mediamatters.org/research/201...e-edits/204419
      "The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it."

      Navin R. Johnson

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Wally View Post
        Fortunately, like most stories associated with James O'Keefe it's not true:

        http://mediamatters.org/research/201...e-edits/204419
        And you link media matters?
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #5
          Nah, this system could never ever be abused in any way. Humans are never greedy or unethical and they don't like to make money under the table, ever.
          "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seer View Post
            And you link media matters?
            Yes, Homer, unlike you, I prefer reputable news sources. It was only one of probably a dozen different sites running the story.

            Even though James O'Keefe is the lowest of the low, apparently he wasn't involved in this.
            "The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it."

            Navin R. Johnson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Wally View Post
              Yes, Homer, unlike you, I prefer reputable news sources. It was only one of probably a dozen different sites running the story.

              Even though James O'Keefe is the lowest of the low, apparently he wasn't involved in this.
              No Bevis, the story I posted came from the Washington Post - not exactly a bastion of conservative thought. So I guess the bottom line is that liberals don't have a problem with killing the unborn and harvesting their body parts.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #8
                It was a doctored video, and there is documentation on how it was doctored.

                Even Snoops says it's BS.

                Just because it fits with your preconceived prejudices, doesn't mean it's true.
                "The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it."

                Navin R. Johnson

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Wally View Post
                  It was a doctored video, and there is documentation on how it was doctored.

                  Even Snoops says it's BS.

                  Just because it fits with your preconceived prejudices, doesn't mean it's true.
                  You mean they were not harvesting body parts from unborn babies? Link please...
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wally View Post
                    Even Snoops says it's BS.
                    I'm assuming you meant Snopes.

                    And...
                    No they don't.

                    http://m.snopes.com/pp-baby-parts-sale/

                    Claim: A video shows Dr. Deborah Nucatola admitting that Planned Parenthood sells organs from aborted fetuses.

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                    • #11
                      Here's another perspective. With younger and younger donors, how long before transplants from the otherwise aborted will be possible?
                      Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                      mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

                      Mountain Man: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                      Mountain Man: … this is how liberals argue these days, with labels instead of ideas.

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                      • #12
                        Starting threads like this, in which neither the title nor preview text give any clue to the content, is annoying regardless of whether it's moral or legal.
                        Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                        • #13
                          Everyone agrees it is true, but since it is legal it will just continue.
                          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Roy View Post
                            Can they legally do what? Is what immoral?

                            Posing as a medical technician?
                            Filming some-one without their knowledge?
                            Releasing graphic material?
                            Deceptive editing?
                            Misrepresentation?
                            Selling organ material?
                            Profiting from such sales?
                            Distributing organ material?
                            Re-using organ material from abortions?
                            Using organ material for medical research?
                            Performing abortions in such a way that organ material remains usable?
                            Performing abortions?
                            Not marking omitted material in quotes?

                            I think some of the above are immoral, some may be illegal, and some are neither.

                            Roy
                            This is sometimes done by journalists (undercover filming investigation)and is given the green light if it can be shown to be in the public interest. It is in public interest for a debate to be had about these types of goings on. If the mother denies the baby right to life then she should not be allowed to sign away its organs. What next? People will be selling these organs.
                            Last edited by Abigail; 07-16-2015, 03:30 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Abigail View Post
                              What next? People will be selling these organs.
                              The sale of the organs is banned by law. Various biotech companies use the organs for research in order to try and save lives. The abortion clinics supply them with those and simply pass on the cost of the storage and transportation of the organs. They are fragile substances that have to have special handling, refrigeration etc, so the postage and packaging costs can run to up to $100.

                              The issue here was that the anti-abortion group who recorded and released the video had deceptively edited the footage to try to make it sound like that cost was part of a "sale" of the organs, rather than just postal costs. This is apparently part of anti-abortion activist James O'Keefe's ongoing strategy of making and releasing dubious and falsified 'undercover' videos to try and discredit people.

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