Lab Leak: The conspiracy theory is shaping up to look like real possibility

[seanD]

So, some deleted covid sequences (deleted by China's request from the NIH database, it seems), appear to indicate that covid was circulating well before the Wuhan Market cases, and the market origin seems to be no longer likely.

Between that fact, the attempt by China to delete early sequences (that thankfully one researcher managed to find archived), along with the inability to find any sort of reservoir animal where covid could have emerged from, along with the now-acknowledged credibility of the lab leak theory, it looks pretty clear where this came from. Now the question is, why were we as a country funding this research, what safety protocols did China claim to have in place for the research that made Fauci and Co think it was safe to fund that research, was it released accidentally or intentionally, if it was accidental then how and when did it escape, and finally, what recompense will China be required by the rest of the world to pay out for their actions?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/deleted-g...140628345.html

Based on the sheer powers we saw displayed that covered it up for a whole year, I have no confidence this will go anywhere. IOW, even though (by the grace of God) the light is being slowly shone on the truth of this, the powers against it are still in power.

[Backup]

Finally, how much was Fauci the Fraud paid by the Chinese government to go to spike any interest in the possibility that the China flu came from the Wuhan lab?

Do you think Fauci shot JFK?

I’m actually more interested in the timeline of when the right turned on Fauci. I think it was when they caught him on camera smirking at Trumps buffoonery.

[Gondwanaland]

If this is proven trustworthy by peer-review, all the honest scientists with update their tentative conclusions based on this new evidence.

[Stoic]

So, some deleted covid sequences (deleted by China's request from the NIH database, it seems), appear to indicate that covid was circulating well before the Wuhan Market cases, and the market origin seems to be no longer likely.

According to your link, it was at the researchers' request, rather than the Chinese government's.

Between that fact, the attempt by China to delete early sequences (that thankfully one researcher managed to find archived), along with the inability to find any sort of reservoir animal where covid could have emerged from, along with the now-acknowledged credibility of the lab leak theory, it looks pretty clear where this came from.

It's still a little early to just go assuming that it was a lab leak. I'll admit that if I had to bet, I'd bet on it being a lab leak. But there are still a lot of scientists who know a lot more about the subject than I do who think that zoonotic transfer is more likely.

Now the question is, why were we as a country funding this research, what safety protocols did China claim to have in place for the research that made Fauci and Co think it was safe to fund that research, was it released accidentally or intentionally, if it was accidental then how and when did it escape, and finally, what recompense will China be required by the rest of the world to pay out for their actions?

Before you go blaming anyone, you kind of have to prove that it was a lab leak.

[Gondwanaland]

According to your link, it was at the researchers' request, rather than the Chinese government's.

The researcher who worked for..... oh, right, the Chinese government.

It's still a little early to just go assuming that it was a lab leak.

Not really.

I'll admit that if I had to bet, I'd bet on it being a lab leak. But there are still a lot of scientists who know a lot more about the subject than I do who think that zoonotic transfer is more likely.

Yet in over a year they have been utterly incapable of finding a reservoir species or any animal that contains something genetically similar to covid that would indicate it came from zoonotic transfer. And also unable to find an animal reservoir that covid actually can easily infect.

Before you go blaming anyone, you kind of have to prove that it was a lab leak.

Only if one is so stupid that one ignores the data deletions by China, their attempts to hide its ability to transfer human to human, their squashing of Taiwan's warning to the WHO, disappearing of scientists who warned about it, deletion of medical records from December and other months, lies about their lab, pressure on other countries to not put travel bans into place even as China put internal travel bans into place to prevent travel around their own country, etc..

The lab origin is just the cherry on top.

[Gondwanaland]

This is why Fauci and his cronies have fought so hard to pooh-pooh the lab origin and declare us conspiracy theorists for believing it:
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...=press_release

Judicial Watch today announced that it obtained 280 pages of documents from the Department of Health and Human Services revealing that from 2014 to 2019, $826,277 was given to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for bat coronavirus research by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), which is headed by Dr. Anthony Fauci.

The documents, some of which were redacted or withheld in their entirely, were obtained through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit seeking records of communications, contracts and agreements with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China (Judicial Watch, Inc. v. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (No. 1:21-cv-00696)). The agency is only processing 300 pages records per month, which means it will take until the end of November for the records to be fully reviewed and released under FOIA.

The records include a chart of NIAID funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology sent on April 21, 2020, by NIAID’s Chase Crawford to Principal Deputy Director Hugh Auchincloss and other NIAID officials. The agency funds directed to the Wuhan Institute of Virology between the years 2014-2019 total $826,277. All of the projects listed in the chart are titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence.”

In an April 15, 2020 email marked “high” importance, Principal Deputy Director of NIH Lawrence Tabak emailed Fauci, NIH Director Francis Collins, and other NIH officials with the subject line: “HEADS UP: Wuhan lab research:”

Tabak: WH has strongly embraced concerns raised by Congressman Gaetz who is publicly criticizing HHS/NIH for funding the Wuhan laboratory’s bat research. Here’s this quote from another article: “I’m disgusted to learn that for years the US government has been funding dangerous and cruel animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute, which may have contributed to the global spread of coronavirus, and research at other labs in China that have virtually no oversight from US authorities.” [Emphasis in original]

This is a large multi-country study with Wuhan being one site. The principal investigator, Peter Daszak, is based in NY at EcoHealth Alliance, Inc. [Emphasis in original]

Tabak provides details of the grant to Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, for a project titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence.” Tabak continues, saying, “The 3.7M dollar figure is over 6 years to all sites which include (several in) China, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia and Myanmar. We estimate that approximately $826,300 has been spent at this site since the inception of the grant. Yearly costs appear to be about 80K/year. The grant is in year 6 of a total of 10 year.”

A January 9, 2020, email exchange labeled “high” importance between NIAID Senior Scientific Advisor Dr. David Morens and Daszak details the relationship between the Fauci agency and the Wuhan Institute of Virology:

Morens: Hi guys, do any of you have any inside info on this new coronavirus that isn’t yet in the public domain? Or any thoughts?

Daszak: Yes – lots of information and I spoke with Erik Stemmy and Alan Embry yesterday before the news was released. Erik is my program officer on our coronavirus grant specifically focused on China….

Morens: Thanks, the excitement never ends, right?

Daszak: NIAID has been funding coronavirus work in China for the past 5 years … (1R01Al110964: “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence” ). That’s now been renewed … Collaborators include Wuhan Institute of Virology (currently working on the nCoV), and Ralph Baric [of University of North Carolina].

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Also-FYI, prior to the R01, we worked under an R01 with Eun-Chung Park as program officer on viral discovery in bats, where originally identified SARS-CoV as having a likely origin in bats (published in Science)….

Morens: Great info, thanks. Tony doesn’t maintain awareness of these things and doesn’t know unless program officers tell him, which they rarely do, since they are across town and may not see him more than once a year, or less…. Interested in your feeling about where this is going. The experts are buzzing around us are all over the map, between doomsday and not that big a deal, with everything in between.

On January 23, 2020, a senior NIH official Melinda Hoskins forwarded a Daily Mail article to colleagues discussing NIH/NIAID funding of the bat virus research, and noting that Fauci would be briefing senators the following morning. Hoskins says, “Would you please confirm the exact nature of our support to the Wuhan Institute of Virology/Biosafety Lab.”

Another official, Barbara Mulach, responds that, “We’ve identified one grant with a sub-grant to Wuhan Institute of Virology (thanks for the lead) and one primary grant to Wuhan University. We are trying to get clarification whether or not the two organizations are related so we know if the second application is relevant to the request or not.”

She provides data showing a “Sub-award to Wuhan Institute of Virology,” with Daszak as principal investigator for a project titled, “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,” and she provides information on another award, grant number R01AI119064-06, with principal investigator Ke Lan, going to Wuhan University and titled, “Versatile functions of LANA in KSHV pathogenesis.”

In an April 13, 2020, email from NIH official Emily Erbelding to NIH colleagues, Erbelding notes that the “entire amount of the new Daszak grant (year 6 funded in FY19) is about 3.64 M. The total amount that will go to Wuhan Institute of Virology under this grant will be about $750K ($76,301 had already been sent to Wuhan in year 1 according to the NOA).” Additionally, the email notes that bat sampling work done during years 2011-2015, in addition to receiving funding from Daszak’s grant, “could also have been supported by USAID Predict program (which was also funding the Wuhan lab).”

Auchinloss forwards Erberlding’s note to Fauci, saying, “This is higher but not extraordinarily higher than I originally indicated which was for some earlier work.” Fauci replies, “Thanks.”

In an April 15, 2020, email exchange, Tabak asks his colleagues if Daszak’s team had “published anything seminal related to the current pandemic.” Erbelding responds, “Peter’s only publication on SARS CoV2 since the epidemic began is thought piece in NEJM [New England Journal of Medicine]” to which she provides a hyperlink. She adds, “Note that all of the prior work on zoonotic reservoirs of CoV’s was also supported by USAID funding through a program called PREDICT, which has since ended.”

On October 1, 2017, after receiving Daszak’s email related to his then-unpublished paper describing detailed research into a novel bat-born virus tied to Swine Acute Diarrheal Syndrome, Fauci forwards Daszak’s email and paper on to NIH official Greg Folkers, saying, “Confidential, but fyi for you.” Daszak says, “You should know that this work was supported by a NIAID ROl that [NIH’s] Erik Stemmy is the Program Officer for, and that I’m PI [principal investigator] on, with Zhengli Shi [the director of the Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of the Wuhan Institute of Virology] as co-PI.”

A person whose name is redacted on April 19, 2018, CCs an email to “International Cables (HHS/OS)” with the subject line “China Virus Institute Welcomes More U.S. Cooperation on Global Health Security,” includes a U.S. cable:

China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, a global leader in virus research, is a key partner for the United States in protecting global health security. Its role as operator of the just-launched Biosafety Level 4 (or ‘P4’) lab- the first such lab in China – opens up even more opportunities for expert exchange, especially in light of the lab’s shortage of trained staff.

More at the link

[Ronson]

I don't understand what could logically be redacted from the DHHS documents. Is there supposed to be military secrets contained in it?

[seanD]

This is why Fauci and his cronies have fought so hard to pooh-pooh the lab origin and declare us conspiracy theorists for believing it:
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...=press_release
More at the link

"Morens: Thanks, the excitement never ends, right?"

[Mountain Man]

Do you think Fauci shot JFK?

He would have if he was paid enough.

[Mountain Man]

The researcher who worked for..... oh, right, the Chinese government.

Liberals don't seem to understand that private industry doesn't exist in China. Everything is controlled by the government.

[Stoic]

I don't understand what could logically be redacted from the DHHS documents. Is there supposed to be military secrets contained in it?

National security is one of the nine exemptions under the FOIA.

Source: https://www.foia.gov/faq.html

Not all records are required to be released under the FOIA. Congress established nine exemptions from disclosure for certain categories of information to protect against certain harms, such as an invasion of personal privacy, or harm to law enforcement investigations. The FOIA authorizes agencies to withhold information when they reasonably foresee that disclosure would harm an interest protected by one of these nine exemptions.

The nine exemptions are described below.

• Exemption 1: Information that is classified to protect national security.
• Exemption 2: Information related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency.
• Exemption 3: Information that is prohibited from disclosure by another federal law.
• Exemption 4: Trade secrets or commercial or financial information that is confidential or privileged.
• Exemption 5: Privileged communications within or between agencies, including those protected by the:
  1. Deliberative Process Privilege (provided the records were created less than 25 years before the date on which they were requested)
  2. Attorney-Work Product Privilege
  3. Attorney-Client Privilege
• Exemption 6: Information that, if disclosed, would invade another individual’s personal privacy.
• Exemption 7: Information compiled for law enforcement purposes that:
  • 7(A). Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings
  • 7(B). Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication
  • 7(C). Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy
  • 7(D). Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source
  • 7(E). Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law
  • 7(F). Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual
• Exemption 8: Information that concerns the supervision of financial institutions.
• Exemption 9: Geological information on wells.

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[Backup]

I know conspiracy theorists have made up their minds that all legitimate scientists are part of a global cabal to lie to us.

[Mountain Man]

National security is one of the nine exemptions under the FOIA.

A loophole that government agencies are more than happy to take advantage of to suppress all kinds of information they would prefer the public wasn't aware of.

[Stoic]

The researcher who worked for..... oh, right, the Chinese government.

That doesn't mean the researcher would need the government's permission to request the deletion.

Yet in over a year they have been utterly incapable of finding a reservoir species or any animal that contains something genetically similar to covid that would indicate it came from zoonotic transfer. And also unable to find an animal reservoir that covid actually can easily infect.

And people who have been involved in such searches in the past don't seem to think this is so unusual.

[Stoic]

A loophole that government agencies are more than happy to take advantage of to suppress all kinds of information they would prefer the public wasn't aware of.

That could certainly be true, though I doubt that you have any actual evidence of it.