Democrat Congressman Engages In Insurrection At The Capitol

[Starlight]

I didn't say the entire complex was evacuated but rather being interconnected that the alarm would be through the whole complex.

Now... where did you get this information that to get from one end of the Capitol building that you must go "across roads and blocks of open lawn"? Particularly after looking at your map and what is identified.

Now to be fair, I probably should tell you that I lived just outside Washington D.C. for several years - like during Elementary and Jr. High Schools. Every year we took at least one field trip into the city to visit the various sites. So, as you may have guessed, while it has been several decades, I have actually been in the building.

I provided the map below that shows the structure more clearly than the one you posted.


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The building where the fire alarm was activated isn't shown on your map!

You don't appear to have understood the basic point of the map I provided, which was that the fire alarm wasn't activated in the Capitol complex. It was activated in another building some distance away, across lawns and roads and around a corner.

Look at my map again, and read the red text in the bottom right hand corner, which you appear to have missed. I made it nice and red and bold for you, but maybe it's off the edge of your mobile screen? If so, scroll to the bottom right of my map.

Now to be fair, I probably should tell you that I lived just outside Washington D.C. for several years - like during Elementary and Jr. High Schools. Every year we took at least one field trip into the city to visit the various sites. So, as you may have guessed, while it has been several decades, I have actually been in the building.

Your first hand knowledge of the Capitol building doesn't appear to be helping you. Since you have the wrong building complex entirely.

[JimL]

No, this thread is exposing the double standards of people like you and JimL. Thank you for proving the point.

No it isn't, what it's showing is your rush to judgement. I pity the defendent if ever your chosen to sit on the jury. Answer me this: if this were a jury trial and this is the only evidence for the alleged crime, would you convict?

[Terraceth]

"I pulled the fire alarm thinking it would unlock the doors."

In other words, he admits doing it, but his defense is that he's a moron who doesn't understand how fire alarms work.

The problem is that he was caught on security camera tearing down signs saying the doors were emergency exits, pulling the alarm, and then running away to leave the building through another door.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ng-fire-alarm/

Your link does not offer evidence for your claims outside of the fact that "Multiple sources familiar with the investigation into Bowman pulling the fire alarm in the House" told Breitbart this. I believe in the past you have rejected articles for only giving information from uncredited sources. Why do you suddenly accept this one as absolutely correct?

Maybe it is true (and if so it certainly sounds bad for him), but I would prefer to either see the video or having the actual capitol police make such a statement before trusting it.

[Gondwanaland]

No it isn't, what it's showing is your(sic) rush to judgement.

There is no rush to judgement (and I find your statement here quite ironic considering your past posts about the Jan 6ers and Trump)

I pity the defendent(sic) if ever your(sic) chosen to sit on the jury. Answer me this: if this were a jury trial and this is the only evidence for the alleged crime, would you convict?

Certainly. There's direct video and photograph of him grabbing and pulling the fire alarm. Plus his own admission that he pulled it. What moron wouldn't convict on that evidence?

[JimL]

There is no rush to judgement (and I find your statement here quite ironic considering your past posts about the Jan 6ers and Trump)

I watched Jan 6th live. The whole thing was on video, I seen it over and over. I watched the Congressional hearings, heard the witness testimony.I saw it all, no rush to judgement, so you have no idea what you're talking about. And don't tell me there's no rush to judgement on your part, it's right in the ridiculous title of your thread. Congressman engages in "Insurrection". LOL!

Certainly. There's direct video and photograph of him grabbing and pulling the fire alarm. Plus his own admission that he pulled it. What moron wouldn't convict on that evidence?

Video, we'll that could change things. You saw video? I don't think so. And sure everyone knows he pulled the alarm, even he doesn't deny that. But that's not the crime that you and your rush to judgment crowd are alleging. The question you obviously avoided answering was: with the evidence you are now privy to would you convict him of purposefully pulling the alarm in order to obstruct an official proceeding, to delay the vote?

[Gondwanaland]

I watched Jan 6th live.

and told us there was video of snipers in trees, even though no such video exists.

The whole thing was on video, I seen it over and over. I watched the Congressional hearings, heard the witness testimony.I saw it all, no rush to judgement, so you have no idea what you're talking about. And don't tell me there's no rush to judgement on your part, it's right in the ridiculous title of your thread. Congressman engages in "Insurrection". LOL!

sorry, no rush to judgement here.

Video, we'll that could change things. You saw video? I don't think so.

dont need to have seen it to see the still photo of it released showing him pulling the alarm.

And sure everyone knows he pulled the alarm,

then there's nothing to debate.

even he doesn't deny that. But that's not the crime that you and your rush to judgment crowd are alleging. The question you obviously avoided answering was: with the evidence you are now privy to would you convict him of purposefully pulling the alarm in order to obstruct an official proceeding, to delay the vote?

So again how is it a rush to judgement when even you admit he did it?

And no, it doesn't matter what his intent was, he did delay it, just as the people wandering taking selfish on Jan 6th did

[Starlight]

And no, it doesn't matter what his intent was, he did delay it, just as the people wandering taking selfish on Jan 6th did

Do you have any evidence for the claim that "he did delay it". I cannot find any evidence of that in the multiple articles on the subject I have checked.

As I keep having to explain to Rogue, the building that was evacuated temporarily due to the fire alarm was quite some distance away from the capitol building where the voting was taking place. I have not seen any evidence that had any effect on the voting schedule. Your inaccurate thread title about it being "at the capitol" is probably not helping Rogue's confusion.

[JimL]

[QUOTE=Gondwanaland;n1522823] and told us there was video of snipers in trees, even though no such video exists.

Big deal, it was reported that there were armed men in trees and men with rifles elsewhere. That has nothing to do with anything.

sorry, no rush to judgement here

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No need to lie, everyone can see the title of your thread. Your accusation is not that Bowman simply pulled the alarm, everyone can see that, your accussation is that Bowman is guilty of insurrection and obstruction of Congress.

dont need to have seen it to see the still photo of it released showing him pulling the alarm.

OK Mr obvious. I think everyone knows he pulled the alarm.

then there's nothing to debate.

Well, that depends on what your accussation is, and your accussation has been more than that he just pulled the alarm. According to you he's an insurrectionist, remember?

So again how is it a rush to judgement when even you admit he did it?

Are you just playing dumb, or......

And no, it doesn't matter what his intent was, he did delay it, just as the people wandering taking selfish on Jan 6th did

Ah, there's your problem, you think intent doesn't matter.

[Gondwanaland]

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Big deal, it was reported that there were armed men in trees and men with rifles elsewhere. That has nothing to do with anything.

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one would think someone who watched it live and then rewatched it would know. There were no snipers and them men in trees were by the white house not the capitol.

No need to lie,

prove that or be reported

everyone can see the title of your thread. Your accusation is not that Bowman simply pulled the alarm, everyone can see that, your accussation is that Bowman is guilty of insurrection and obstruction of Congress.

correct, he violated the same thing as the people you declare insurrectionist

OK Mr obvious. I think everyone knows he pulled the alarm.

then why are you whingeing?

Well, that depends on what your accussation is, and your accussation has been more than that he just pulled the alarm. According to you he's an insurrectionist, remember?

correct he is, by the definition you and your fellow leftists have put forth for people who were let into the capitol by police and wandered around taking pictures (certainly less serious than a fire alarm pull)

Are you just playing dumb, or......




Ah, there's your problem, you think intent doesn't matter.

Correct, just as it did not matter for any J6er

[Starlight]

At risk of getting know-it-all fire-warden CP started again (who it turned out was actually a know-nothing in this instance), this is the signage that was on the door Bowman was trying to exit through:

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So, no, it was not a normal fire door where you go through it in half a second by pushing the bar up and barreling forward, like we're used to and like CP showed a video of. Everything CP was saying was wrong with respect to this event and door. This door was actually locked, and had a mechanism where you activated the alarm, waited 30 seconds, and then used the door.

Bowman's mistake, it appears, was activating the wrong alarm in his attempt to follow the sign's instructions and unlock this door. He used the alarm on the wall 3 feet from this sign, which was not, in fact, the alarm the sign on the door happened to be talking about. It was talking about a different alarm that he should activate to unlock that door. Had he activated the correct alarm, he could have waited the 30 seconds and then used the door, and it would, presumably have been a more local alarm that just warned security someone had used an emergency exit, rather than a building-wide* fire alarm.

I note that CP has gone on and on about how stupid Bowman would have to be to use this door wrong, because CP, just from once glance at the door, was so sure he knew exactly how to use this door correctly. And CP was flatly wrong about how this door worked and how to use this door. Is it therefore fair to ascribe to CP the level of stupidity he was suggesting Bowman would be guilty of if Bowman used this door wrong? Seems like it. I also note, that if Bowman had followed CP's guidelines for how to use this door, he would have found that the door was locked. What did Bowman tell reporters? That the door was locked, and that he activated the alarm in an effort to open it. So it seems entirely possible that Bowman's first attempt at using this door was to try CP's method because that is how doors that look like this are normally used... and he found that the door was locked, exactly like the sign says, and exactly like Bowman told journalists. He then tried to follow the sign by activating the alarm... but of the two different alarms that were in that immediate vicinity, he activated the wrong one.


* Again, worth emphasizing, not the Capitol building. This building was a quarter of a mile away, across multiple grass lawns and roads, from the Capitol building. I've seen zero evidence that this alarm in this office building led to any evacuation of the Capitol building or any delay in the voting taking place in the Capitol building, nor could it have been reasonably expected to achieve either of those.

[CivilDiscourse]

* Again, worth emphasizing, not the Capitol building. This building was a quarter of a mile away, across multiple grass lawns and roads, from the Capitol building. I've seen zero evidence that this alarm in this office building led to any evacuation of the Capitol building or any delay in the voting taking place in the Capitol building, nor could it have been reasonably expected to achieve either of those.

Again, let me ask.

Is it your position that only something that essentially forces Reps from the floor of congress that can potentially cause a delay. You cannot conceive that an emergency (say a fire) in the offices of those same representatives could possibly have the effect of causing a delay in the vote? Is that the position you are taking?

[Starlight]

Again, let me ask.

Is it your position that only something that essentially forces Reps from the floor of congress that can potentially cause a delay. You cannot conceive that an emergency (say a fire) in the offices of those same representatives could possibly have the effect of causing a delay in the vote? Is that the position you are taking?

Naturally there are plenty of things that could cause a delay in the vote that don't themselves force Reps from the floor of congress. e.g. an act of war against America elsewhere in the world, a major political figure dying (e.g. member of congress or President), etc. If there had actually been a serious fire in that building, then perhaps it might have delayed the vote when the House members heard that it was happening.

But your rather desperate seeming pleading here seems pretty absurd. If Bowman wanted to delay the vote by pulling a fire alarm, the location to do it would be in the Capitol building. Pulling a fire alarm in a building a quarter of a mile away is not likely to have the effect of delaying the vote. I have not seen any evidence that it did delay the vote.

If anything, it appears to me likely to have a negative effects on the Democrats given the reporting about what was occurring. At the time that it happened, the Dems were desperately rushing to try to read a bill as fast as possible that Republicans had just introduced and not given them much time to read. They would have wanted all their staffers reading it. Hence why Bowman was running between buildings. If any of those staffers had been located at the time in that office building, the fire alarm would have delayed them reading that bill, and thus hurt the Dems.

[CivilDiscourse]

Naturally there are plenty of things that could cause a delay in the vote that don't themselves force Reps from the floor of congress. e.g. an act of war against America elsewhere in the world, a major political figure dying (e.g. member of congress or President), etc. If there had actually been a serious fire in that building, then perhaps it might have delayed the vote when the House members heard that it was happening.

But your rather desperate seeming pleading here seems pretty absurd. If Bowman wanted to delay the vote by pulling a fire alarm, the location to do it would be in the Capitol building. Pulling a fire alarm in a building a quarter of a mile away is not likely to have the effect of delaying the vote. I have not seen any evidence that it did delay the vote.

If anything, it appears to me likely to have a negative effects on the Democrats given the reporting about what was occurring. At the time that it happened, the Dems were desperately rushing to try to read a bill as fast as possible that Republicans had just introduced and not given them much time to read. They would have wanted all their staffers reading it. Hence why Bowman was running between buildings. If any of those staffers had been located at the time in that office building, the fire alarm would have delayed them reading that bill, and thus hurt the Dems.

You are the one discounting based on distance. You are the one discounting the possibility that anything other than forcing them from the floor could have caused a delay. In other words, you are the one mind-reading in order to play defense.

[rogue06]

The building where the fire alarm was activated isn't shown on your map!

You don't appear to have understood the basic point of the map I provided, which was that the fire alarm wasn't activated in the Capitol complex. It was activated in another building some distance away, across lawns and roads and around a corner.

Look at my map again, and read the red text in the bottom right hand corner, which you appear to have missed. I made it nice and red and bold for you, but maybe it's off the edge of your mobile screen? If so, scroll to the bottom right of my map.

Your first hand knowledge of the Capitol building doesn't appear to be helping you. Since you have the wrong building complex entirely.

My apologies. I missed where it said the alarm was pulled here.

[rogue06]

I watched Jan 6th live. The whole thing was on video, I seen it over and over.

Is that where you saw MAGA snipers in trees, or was that just a smoke-induced hallucination?