Liberal Students More Depressed Than Conservative...

[oxmixmudd]

They're also uglier, which might have something to do with it. The more liberal a person is, the more butt ugly. IMO

I'd rather be talking to a 'butt ugly' person on the outside with a soul of solid Gold than a person that exhibits the sort of 'butt ugly' soul you shine forth here - however comely you might look like in a mirror.

[oxmixmudd]

Liberalism itself is a mental disorder.

Liberal/Conservative are relative terms applied to ideologies. To assume that one or the other is 'only right' or 'only wrong' is itself evidence of mental deficiency.

[Ronson]

I'd rather be talking to a 'butt ugly' person on the outside with a soul of solid Gold than a person that exhibits the sort of 'butt ugly' soul you shine forth here - however comely you might look like in a mirror.

Coming from the man who just called conservatives "ignorant." Beautiful.

[Ronson]

Then how do you explain ME????

Nah. I heard you're the best looking pirate on the seas. Besides, I wanted to see how oxi would respond, and I wasn't disappointed.

[Sparko]

Nah. I heard you're the best looking pirate on the seas. Besides, I wanted to see how oxi would respond, and I wasn't disappointed.

Aw, shucks, ma'am.

[oxmixmudd]

Others have said it as well, but there is a "severity" perspective/reality mismatch that may be driving many of these issues that can have a depressive effect. Think of it like the opposite of your Naivety perspective.

I'll give you the classic example. "Police kill unarmed black man"

Liberals: "Police have declared open season on black people!"
Reality: There are < 50 incidents per year of this happening.

To illustrate: Here is reporting on a poll:
https://nypost.com/2021/02/27/cases-...overestimated/

In it, Liberal/Very liberals believed that >1000 unarmed black people were killed in 2019 by cops. Reality: 27.

That's not Liberals "knowing" about problems, while conservatives are naieve, it's liberals thinking the severity is much worse than it is.

Is it a problem when it happens? Yes. But is it the problem liberals think? No.

OTOH - it is the go to action of the current crop of conservatives to minimize and/or gaslight any problem raised by a person they consider 'liberal'. More insidiously, what gets minimized/gaslighted vs emphacized/highlighted has a very strong correlation to monetary gain and/or the direct political interests of said group. So while it might be possible there is a trend towards 'overreaction' to real problems by liberals, There is in fact, no correlation whatsoever between the reality or morality of a problem and the conservative reaction to it. It's all money and power based. If it's perceived as threatening personal wealth or political power, it is gaslighted/minimized. If it is perceived to create personal wealth or political power, it is overblown/maxmiized.

[Sparko]

OTOH - it is the go to action of the current crop of conservatives to minimize and/or gaslight any problem raised by a person they consider 'liberal'. More insidiously, what gets minimized/gaslighted vs emphacized/highlighted has a very strong correlation to monetary gain and/or the direct political interests of said group. So while it might be possible there is a trend towards 'overreaction' to real problems by liberals, There is in fact, no correlation whatsoever between the reality or morality of a problem and the conservative reaction to it. It's all money and power based. If it's perceived as threatening personal wealth or political power, it is gaslighted/minimized. If it is perceived to create personal wealth or political power, it is overblown/maxmiized.

So not only are you turning into a liberal, but a socialist as well?

Conservative = Evil Capitalist in your head apparently.

[oxmixmudd]

So not only are you turning into a liberal, but a socialist as well?

Conservative = Evil Capitalist in your head apparently.

I'll add to that the trend in conservative circles to apply demonizing labels to individuals whose ideas are disagreed with.

Take not of the fact that in the post you reply to, I speak in general terms about trends in conservatism without directly labelling CD one way or the other.

The reality is that I'm liberal by label in some things, and conservative in others.

But I have always been, and always will be, against the destructive force that greed is, especially in the hands of those without a conscience.

And I don't think one can find any other attitude towards greed without a conscience, or just plain old greed, anywhere in scripture - at least in the words or Christ or any of God's prophets.

[Mountain Man]

Liberal/Conservative are relative terms applied to ideologies. To assume that one or the other is 'only right' or 'only wrong' is itself evidence of mental deficiency.

I never said anything about right or wrong. I'm simply commenting on the fact that liberals are more prone to mental illness than conservatives and reasoning that liberalism itself is the disease.

[CivilDiscourse]

OTOH - it is the go to action of the current crop of conservatives to minimize and/or gaslight any problem raised by a person they consider 'liberal'. More insidiously, what gets minimized/gaslighted vs emphacized/highlighted has a very strong correlation to monetary gain and/or the direct political interests of said group. So while it might be possible there is a trend towards 'overreaction' to real problems by liberals, There is in fact, no correlation whatsoever between the reality or morality of a problem and the conservative reaction to it. It's all money and power based. If it's perceived as threatening personal wealth or political power, it is gaslighted/minimized. If it is perceived to create personal wealth or political power, it is overblown/maxmiized.

As we are talking about what is causing depression in liberals, your sidetrack on "gaslighting" really isn't relevant.

A trend towards "overreaction" (understatement if I ever saw one) on severity is much more likely to cause depression than not overreacting.

We go to war (culture war) on the absolute minimalist things. Take Trans/pronouns. It's the dumbest thing. Conservatives overreact like nobody's business on this, and at the same time, liberals are essentially trying to push full blown language/culture changes to accommodate a group that makes up such a very tiny fraction of the US population.

[oxmixmudd]

I never said anything about right or wrong. I'm simply commenting on the fact that liberals are more prone to mental illness than conservatives and reasoning that liberalism itself is the disease.

'reasoning' is not the proper label for what you are doing.

[Sparko]

I'll add to that the trend in conservative circles to apply demonizing labels to individuals whose ideas are disagreed with.

Take not of the fact that in the post you reply to, I speak in general terms about trends in conservatism without directly labelling CD one way or the other.

The reality is that I'm liberal by label in some things, and conservative in others.

But I have always been, and always will be, against the destructive force that greed is, especially in the hands of those without a conscience.

And I don't think one can find any other attitude towards greed without a conscience, or just plain old greed, anywhere in scripture - at least in the words or Christ or any of God's prophets.

"demonizing labels?"

...and that right after I replied to a post where you just demonized conservatives as greedy capitalists. But oh, that doesn't count because you didn't mention CD directly!

You are so lacking in self-awareness, ox. smh.

[Mountain Man]

OTOH - it is the go to action of the current crop of conservatives to minimize and/or gaslight any problem raised by a person they consider 'liberal'. More insidiously, what gets minimized/gaslighted vs emphacized/highlighted has a very strong correlation to monetary gain and/or the direct political interests of said group. So while it might be possible there is a trend towards 'overreaction' to real problems by liberals, There is in fact, no correlation whatsoever between the reality or morality of a problem and the conservative reaction to it. It's all money and power based. If it's perceived as threatening personal wealth or political power, it is gaslighted/minimized. If it is perceived to create personal wealth or political power, it is overblown/maxmiized.

It seems that your intent here is to simply smear conservatives (without basis, mind you) rather than respond to the multiple surveys that reveal a problem with the liberal thought process that leads to mental health issues in disproportionate numbers. Perhaps the facts presented hit you a little too close to home, so you feel the need to lash out?

[oxmixmudd]

As we are talking about what is causing depression in liberals, your sidetrack on "gaslighting" really isn't relevant.

A trend towards "overreaction" (understatement if I ever saw one) on severity is much more likely to cause depression than not overreacting.

We go to war (culture war) on the absolute minimalist things. Take Trans/pronouns. It's the dumbest thing. Conservatives overreact like nobody's business on this, and at the same time, liberals are essentially trying to push full blown language/culture changes to accommodate a group that makes up such a very tiny fraction of the US population.

At least you have the capacity to recognize that the over-reactions are on both sides. That said, since it is on both sides, it is not likely to be that cause of any disparity in the rate of depression, if one exists.

I could posit a somewhat counterintuitive analysis that actually incorporates many of the ideas being advanced in isolation.

1) Consider that a tendency toward liberalism actually is a product of learning, of knowing more about the world and realizing there is more to every story that the typical simplified dichotomies that dominate current conservative thought. ( note that has not always been the case - here I think of great conservative thinkers like George Will )

2) Consider that faith in God or Christ also tends to be diminished by learning, education (not a requirement, just a recognition of the reality That the more educated people are, the less likely they are to profess faith in Christ)

3) Consider that faith in God and Christ gives hope, can bring a person more joy in times of trial than without it.

One consequence of these three postulates is that more educated individuals will have a more accurate view of the word, less educated individuals a less accurate view of the world.

But that will also tend to mean more educated part of the population, the more liberal part by (1), will also have a more accurate awareness of both the problems we face and their seriousness.

But it will also mean, since the more educated and more liberal by (2) have less access to a capacity faith gives to face these problems with hope and optimism. - hence they might be less optimistic about life in general, more prone to depression over those same issues they are more aware of than the conservattive population.

OTOH, the less educated, more conservative part of the population has not only a less accurate view of the real problems we face ( especially since their leaders tend to either lie about them or just simply be equally ignorant about them ), but they also, because of their greater preponderance of faith and hope, are better able to deal with the problems they do recognize in positive, productive ways.


Now ideally we could combine the three (education/knowledge/faith) and make the most happy people of all, and the most effective people in terms of producing real solutions to those same real problems. But each side contains internal failure that sabotage one or the other, leading both to our current conflict and polarization, as well as effective walls to ever working together to find and implement real solutions.

[Sparko]

It seems that your intent here is to simply smear conservatives (without basis, mind you) rather than respond to the multiple surveys that reveal a problem with the liberal thought process that leads to mental health issues in disproportionate numbers. Perhaps the facts presented hit you a little too close to home, so you feel the need to lash out?

He's the poster child for depressed liberals. He was a much nicer and happier guy back before he developed TDS and became a liberal.