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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Those in Kentucky were certainly not the "elite". From my reading of that latest disaster that region is comparatively poor. However, think of all those wealthy individuals who have residences on the coastal regions of the US Eastern seaboard!
And what about the Hamptons or Manhattan? They are only islands!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIndeed. Perhaps you should keep it in mind before bringing it up next time.
I wrote this:
Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Writes the person who despite being asked several times has yet to produce an iota of attested textual or historical evidence to support his delusional fancies.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Isn't it funny how we are warned about the dangers of rising sea levels while the elites are buying coastal mansions. Less for us, more for them."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Your grand-children might able to watch those mansions disappearing under the water!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Machinist View Post
“Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. ” - Will Durant"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Unlikely. There is no evidence that sea level rise will reach any where close to what alarmists are predicting."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Then what are you moaning about?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Looks like another failure of reading comprehension on your part. What I'm "moaning" about is how we are being lied to and told that we need to reduce our quality of life in order to save the planet by rich elitists who have no intent of making any sacrifices themselves because they know that the effects of climate change are being greatly exaggerated.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
As I wrote in the OP I have not [as yet] read the entire book - it was only published three days ago and I am awaiting my copy. Not, I should add, from Amazon.
However, from what I have read [courtesy of Amazon] he is looking at three main areas. Firstly, putting the human impact into context within the earth's 4.6 billion year history. Secondly to home ["zero"] in on the current global heating of:
drought, mass migration, water wars and health issues, along with hard to predict 'stings-in-the tail' such as Gulf Stream collapse and methane "bombs"
His concluding section examines:
what we need to do now to minimise the impact of dangerous climate breakdown, and considers whether technology can save us. It also rams home the message that - even at this late stage - it remains vital that we cut emissions to the bone as soon as we possibly can.
He also notes that the global political will to do that appears unlikely
However, while he holds that we should attempt to implement that last option he also maintains that severe climate change is now inevitable and irreversible. In this he goes further than many of his colleagues who feel that a reduction in emissions could lower the more extreme impacts.
He also comments upon consensus among climatologists [as I quoted to @Machinist]:
It is also the case, research has revealed, that climate scientists - as a tribe - tend to gravitate towards a consensus viewpoint, rather than go out on a limb, and they are inclined to make forecasts that underplay the reality
A comment from a former BBC Environment Analyst at the front of the Kindle version, would appear to support that observation:
But the public does not like pessimism, so we environment journalists hint at future optimism.
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Originally posted by Machinist View PostSomething interesting that I have read lately that pertains to this thread is that the powers that be in the world of academia are proposing the Anthropocenic Epoch as a scientifically legitimate age of the Earth's geological timeline of epochs, or ages. There is much debate over actually adopting this view, as you could imagine. This age would date from the commencement of human impact on the planet. It's quite likely that the idea of this geological epoch will be in the curriculums of schools soon.
I don't know a whole lot about about science, or the atmosphere, but if it were up to me, that is, if I ruled the world, the first thing that would stop, as in, cease and desist immediately, would be the deforestations of rainforests. Period. There would no more. It would all halt today, this very minute. It would be a good first step I would think. I do think that it's a good idea to protect the planet, so long as it's truly protecting the planet and the planet's ecosystems.
All the plastic in the ocean bothers me too.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostInterestingly, there is a good deal more forested land in the U.S. now than there was a hundred years ago. Still, a fraction of what it was 400 years ago, but forest growth nationally has exceeded harvest since the 1940s with the tree planting efforts that were started in the 1950s really paying off.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostWell anyone can write anything on Amazon.
Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostThose are things that have always happened. Indeed, many civilizations in the Americas collapsed due to the same issues before Europeans outside of the Vikings ever set foot on either of the Americas. And likely played a role in the Bronze age 'collapse'. Those aren't new things. Those are just basic reality of changing climate.
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I'd agree that technology will be needed to adapt. I don't believe we need 'saving', but we do need to adapt, just as humans have for millenia to changing pressures.
Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostCertainly, because no one is interested in bankrupting themselves to 'cut emissions to the bone'. And the politicians know that isn't a pill they'll get their constituents to swallow and will likely get them tossed out on their rear.
Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostClimate will always change, and we will always adapt.
Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostAs to the quote about 'consensus', well, consensus is a lazy way of saying you won't consider you are wrong.
Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostAnd their forecasts underplaying the reality? Yeah that's not remotely true.
Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostAs we've seen for decades, not only do the forecasts overstate and fearmonger (whilst reality has not lived up to those forecasts),
Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostOur model can't even predict via its methods what we already know has happened because we have data on it, it isn't a model that can be trusted to give an accurate prediction of what is coming.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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