No More Foreign Aid For Abortion!

[Adrift]

LIke I said, you don't actually think it is bad or undesirable. You think it is convenient. You know, women don't get pregnant on their own, so men have as much right discussing abortion as women do. It is their children too. You just have no argument and cannot defend your evil beliefs, so you try to shut up the opposition by telling them that it is none of their business. Human life is everyone's business.

So in conclusion, birth is the preferable option. If the woman does not want to be inconvenienced she can put the baby up for adoption. Or get her tubes tied before getting pregnant.

What's interesting to me about this subject is that, even on some incredibly left leaning websites I've been on, often times when the point is made that abortion is a difficult decision that many women must struggle with, a number of nurses (who are pro-abortion), will speak up and point out that in their experience most abortion is used as a form of birth control. They'll see the same women time and time and time again. It's inconvenient, but it's just not really that big of a deal to most of them. They say that while there are certainly those who do struggle with the decision, overwhelmingly, those that they see don't see it that way.

[Sparko]

What's interesting to me about this subject is that, even on some incredibly left leaning websites I've been on, often times when the point is made that abortion is a difficult decision that many women must struggle with, a number of nurses (who are pro-abortion), will speak up and point out that in their experience most abortion is used as a form of birth control. They'll see the same women time and time and time again. It's inconvenient, but it's just not really that big of a deal to most of them. They say that while there are certainly those who do struggle with the decision, overwhelmingly, those that they see don't see it that way.

Abortion is the easy way out for many women. Not the difficult way. They are afraid of the difficult way, having to carry a baby to term, raise it, feed it, take care of it for 18 years. So they choose the EASY way out. Get rid of it without even looking at it.

I think it is AFTER they have the abortion that it hits some of them what they have done. And the guilt remains with them for the rest of their lives. That is when the difficulty comes in.

[Tassman]

LIke I said, you don't actually think it is bad or undesirable. You think it is convenient. You know, women don't get pregnant on their own, so men have as much right discussing abortion as women do. It is their children too. You just have no argument and cannot defend your evil beliefs, so you try to shut up the opposition by telling them that it is none of their business. Human life is everyone's business.

So in conclusion, birth is the preferable option. If the woman does not want to be inconvenienced she can put the baby up for adoption. Or get her tubes tied before getting pregnant.

[Sparko]

well I think it IS my business. However if you don't think it is YOUR business, then you should just shut up about it.

[Tassman]

well I think it IS my business.

You think wrongly.

[JimL]

well I think it IS my business. However if you don't think it is YOUR business, then you should just shut up about it.

I can only imagine if the situation were reversed and women were telling men like yourself that they have no choice, that its not their decision to make, so shut up and deal with it.

[Bill the Cat]

You think wrongly.

It's no less our business than it's our business when a mother drowns her children in the bathtub.

[Bill the Cat]

I can only imagine if the situation were reversed and women were telling men like yourself that they have no choice, that its not their decision to make, so shut up and deal with it.

We already legally HAVE no choice. We are excluded from the decision to abort or not, and then forced into 18 years of child support payments. Men have no legal choice already, so you don't have to imagine at all.

[JimL]

We already legally HAVE no choice. We are excluded from the decision to abort or not, and then forced into 18 years of child support payments. Men have no legal choice already, so you don't have to imagine at all.

I'm not talking about a man choice regarding child support, I'm talking about his choice in regards to giving birth. I'm sure that there are many men in the situation of having to pay child support for 18 years, like the women, would opt for choice as well. Most of the people against abortion have no personal stake in the issue at all.

[Bill the Cat]

I'm not talking about a man choice regarding child support, I'm talking about his choice in regards to giving birth.

He has no rights in that. He is basically held hostage by the mother and her "choice".

I'm sure that there are many men in the situation of having to pay child support for 18 years, like the women, would opt for choice as well.

But hypocrisy being what it is, there is no choice for us men. We are simply hostages to the whims of the mother.

Most of the people against abortion have no personal stake in the issue at all.

Most people against rape have no personal stake in the issue either.

[Sparko]

You think wrongly.

I don't care what YOU think. You are not a woman.

[Sparko]

I can only imagine if the situation were reversed and women were telling men like yourself that they have no choice, that its not their decision to make, so shut up and deal with it.

As a man, who thinks men have no say so in the matter, you have no say so in whether I have a say so in the matter. buh-bye.

[JimL]

As a man, who thinks men have no say so in the matter, you have no say so in whether I have a say so in the matter. buh-bye.

[Sparko]

Just telling you to listen to your own rules on the topic. You and Tassman. You want to shut me up by saying I have no right to discuss the topic. If that is truly what you believe, then neither do you and tassman. So you have no business telling me not to discuss the topic.

[JimL]

Just telling you to listen to your own rules on the topic. You and Tassman. You want to shut me up by saying I have no right to discuss the topic. If that is truly what you believe, then neither do you and tassman. So you have no business telling me not to discuss the topic.

Well that would be true Sparko, but only if someone actually told you that you had no business discussing the topic, but no one did. What was said is that, in our opinion, in the end, the decision itself is none of your business.