The Blue Wall of Silence Is Starting to Crack

[Cow Poke]

Lol. She's "disagreeing with you" by not exerting any real effort, not offing a counter argument, no counter points, no real disagreement, just asking you to explain everything (and really, not caring about the answers you provide, because it's just going to lead to another question.)

Yeah, I'm no longer buying her derails -- she's either wanting to be incredibly obsessive compulsive about precise language to her own taste, or dragging the thread off topic.
She apparently is incapable of an actual substantive discussion absent psychotic diversion.

(Maybe if we all purposely misused words her head would explode! )

[CivilDiscourse]

Yeah, I'm no longer buying her derails -- she's either wanting to be incredibly obsessive compulsive about precise language to her own taste, or dragging the thread off topic.
She apparently is incapable of an actual substantive discussion absent psychotic diversion.

(Maybe if we all purposely misused words her head would explode! )

"I know your language better than you"

Followed inevitably by

"I need you to clarify what you mean, I can't understand your prose" (which, ironically, all the native speakers can)

[Cow Poke]

What precise "powers" have been ceded by Police Chiefs to the various Police Unions in the past twenty years?

You mean -- what precise 'powers' have been usurped by the various Police Unions from Police Chiefs (Command) in the past twenty years?

Don't know why you limited it to "the past twenty years", but we'll go with that...

• The power to discipline officers at the discretion of Command according to department policy
• The power to fire officers for cause at the discretion of Command according to department policy
• The power to promote, reward or recognize officers at the discretion of Command according to department policy
• The power to establish, in concert with the mayor, city council and city counsel, the department policy

Those are some of the most aggressively usurped powers.

The unions are notorious for protecting the dues-payers from discipline or termination.
The unions always place longevity over merit.
A "bad cop" would be promoted to sergeant over a good cop simply because the "bad cop" as more time "on the job".

The whole system is anti-merit.

And when the union doesn't get its way, it's not unusual for a case of "blue flu" to break out among the ranks.

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• archaic [yeah, it's archaic, but so am I ]
  (usurp on/upon)
  encroach or infringe upon (someone's rights).
  "the Church had usurped upon the domain of the state"

[rogue06]

Yeah, I'm no longer buying her derails -- she's either wanting to be incredibly obsessive compulsive about precise language to her own taste, or dragging the thread off topic.
She apparently is incapable of an actual substantive discussion absent psychotic diversion.

(Maybe if we all purposely misused words her head would explode! )

Slang, idioms and popular expressions and quotes from movies and TV

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

It seems that there are several individuals whose knowledge of their own language is abysmal

For some making a statement of fact is deemed to be "complaining".

For others, asking questions and making observations is described as "whining".

For at least one there is no understanding of the distinction between "disagreeing" with someone and asking that same person questions or offering them observations.


Perhaps Mel Brooks was right and in point of fact I m dealing with "the common clay of the new West".

[Cow Poke]

It seems that there are several individuals whose knowledge of their own language is abysmal

For some making a statement of fact is deemed to be "complaining".

For others, asking questions and making observations is described as "whining".

For at least one there is no understanding of the distinction between "disagreeing" with someone and asking that same person questions or offering them observations.

It seems we have an obsessive compulsive know-it-all busybody from another country trying to tell us how to speak, write, and communicate because she's incapable of civil discourse without derailing every thread she enters with pedantic antics.

Perhaps Mel Brooks was right and in point of fact I m dealing with "[I]the common clay of the new West".

Nobody forces you to be here with your systemic complaining, whining, kvetching and pedantry.

Back on topic, now?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

It seems we have an obsessive compulsive know-it-all busybody from another country trying to tell us how to speak, write, and communicate

You misuse your own language.

It is actually very funny that some of you are so ignorant of the meanings of words that you use.

[Cow Poke]

You misuse your own language.

You derail your own threads.

It is actually very funny that some of you are so ignorant of the meanings of words that you use.

It's actually very sad that you are so arrogant and combative and so psycho pedantic that you can't simply communicate.

Back on topic, or do you have more pedantic antics to foist upon us?

[rogue06]

You misuse your own language.

It is actually very funny that some of you are so ignorant of the meanings of words that you use.

We done speecify 'Murican just fine.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Nope - 'usurped' is fine because the public never intended the UNIONS to control the police - the legitimate authority of the police lies with its command staff and overseers.

Sorry it is the wrong word. The police unions have never "usurped" power. You may think that their power is too great [and in some regards I would agree with you] but they have never seized their position [or power] by illegal seizure or without legal right.

WOW, you're an incredibly slow learner --- most specifically, the right to discipline and fire bad cops. That's what this whole thing is about.

From here: https://www.govtjobs.com/government-...b-description/ "Manage your department which includes hiring, assessing, disciplining and firing your personnel".

From here: https://www.civilservicesuccess.com/...-police-chief/ "As the highest level of hierarchy in the police department, much like the CEO of a company, all operations need the police chief’s approval, including promotions, new hires, and the firing of an existing employee."

Are those two statement incorrect?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

delete

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

It's actually very sad that you are so arrogant and combative and so psycho pedantic that you can't simply communicate.

It makes it much easier if you [collectively] use the appropriate and correct words rather than [as appears to be a habit among some] employing Humpty Dumpty's strategy.

[Cow Poke]

Sorry it is the wrong word. The police unions have never "usurped" power. You may think that their power is too great [and in some regards I would agree with you] but they have never seized their position [or power] by illegal seizure or without legal right.

You obviously don't understand the concept.

When a union works its way into a police department, it's quite clearly pitting workers against management.
When it gets control, it prevents management from doing their job under threat of a walkout.

That's a usurpation of power, clear and simple.

• archaic [yeah, it's archaic, but so am I ]
  (usurp on/upon)
  encroach or infringe upon (someone's rights).
  "the Church had usurped upon the domain of the state"

By the way - another problem with police departments is the whole concept of "civil service". It also interferes with the ability of 'command' to do their job.

[CivilDiscourse]

It makes it much easier if you [collectively] use the appropriate and correct words rather than [as appears to be a habit among some] employing Humpty Dumpty's strategy.

We have no problem. And frankly don't care if we make it harder on someone who supposedly knows our language better.

[Cow Poke]

From here: https://www.govtjobs.com/government-...b-description/ "Manage your department which includes hiring, assessing, disciplining and firing your personnel".

From here: https://www.civilservicesuccess.com/...-police-chief/ "As the highest level of hierarchy in the police department, much like the CEO of a company, all operations need the police chief’s approval, including promotions, new hires, and the firing of an existing employee."

Are those two statement incorrect?

Those describe the functions a Police Chief (or "Command") should have, but are often usurped by a LABOR UNION.