Animals are not OURS!!!

[Gondwanaland]

Gond, in all seriousness. If you are really interested in helping prevent the abuse of animals, turn to groups like the Humane Society not PETA.

Humane Society honestly has had a number of the same missteps as PETA wrt euthanizing, etc..

PETA has, on the whole, had far more effect worldwide on reducing the abuse, mistreatment, of animals, than the Humane Society. So why not both? Both is fine.

[Cow Poke]

Humane Society honestly has had a number of the same missteps as PETA wrt euthanizing, etc..

PETA has, on the whole, had far more effect worldwide on reducing the abuse, mistreatment, of animals, than the Humane Society. So why not both? Both is fine.

Got a cite for that last part?

[rogue06]

EGGzackly --- we got our dog, Jake, from an animal shelter, not a puppybreedercompany. And it's not necessarily proven that I treat him better than I treat my wife and kids.

If I ever get another dog, and I do want one but just can't properly care for it where I live^[1[, it'll be from a pound and likely a mixed breed. Dogs have been bred to the point that they have all sorts of health issues associated with specific breeds and I don't want to support a puppy mill.




1. I guess this could be an indication that I might be more interested in the dog's well being than my desire to have one. And I really would like to get one. Maybe when I'm retired (which isn't in the foreseeable future although I'm close to the age where I could).

[Cow Poke]

Then you don't feel bad about people having abortions. Right? You're cool with abortions. Right?

Your "logic" is really really weird. HUMAN abortions are the ending of HUMAN life, and you have done an EXCELLENT job of differentiating the two.

I don't think you quite understand how you just shot your own position in the foot.

Nope -- you very clearly showed how different humans and animals are. Animals are incapable of setting up courts, having trials, indicting the rapists and murderers among them --- they act like... ANIMALS.

Humans have a responsibility to protect one another from such "animal" behavior.

[Gondwanaland]

A quote mine? Seriously? You're better than that.


The source mentions having a calf at its side wrt the cow not having to milk it daily at that point. The quote I gave

After the calf is naturally weaned, a dairy cow may not dry up naturally, so you’ll need to continue to milk daily. You may even need to increase milking to prevent problems.

discusses the cow after the calf has been weaned and how many don't stop producing milk and may need to be milked more often because of it. So no, not all dairy cows dry up.

And I noted that the cow had previously given birth so your sources are irrelevant. The fact remains that many dairy cows continue producing milk long after they gave birth and the calf has been naturally weaned. From the point it gave birth "most dairy cows will produce a good amount of milk for the next 5-6 years" (bolding in original)

If you don't milk them you are allowing the cow to suffer in agony as the udder swells up to the point they have problems even standing, not to mention laying down, and leads to its death either through the udder finally rupturing or through infection.

Again, go talk to actual farmers and stop relying on PETA which actually spreads a joke started on 4Chan that drinking milk is a symbol of white supremacy as being the truth. They are not an honest source and will openly lie to push their agenda.

That's simply patently false and a denial of basic biology. As to 'talk to sctual farmers', I literally grew up the son of two farmers, as I stated before. Whate you are claiming has no basis in fact or biology. Dairry cows dry up after weaning. They certainly can produce milk for the next 5-6 years if they are being impregnated regularly, that's certainly true. And shortly after, when they stop producing as much, they are usually killed. but they do not magically continue to produce milk without frequent and constant impregnation.

[Cow Poke]

If I ever get another dog, and I do want one but just can't properly care for it where I live^[1[, it'll be from a pound and likely a mixed breed. Dogs have been bred to the point that they have all sorts of health issues associated with specific breeds and I don't want to support a puppy mill.




1. I guess this could be an indication that I might be more interested in the dog's well being than my desire to have one. And I really would like to get one. Maybe when I'm retired (which isn't in the foreseeable future although I'm close to the age where I could).

Yup, Jakes' a Yellow Lab () along with probably Collie, Pit Bull, Rhodesian Ridgeback... and he's healthy as a .... whatever's really healthy!

[Cow Poke]

Human life and animal life are not.

AMEN!!!!! Thank you for yet another testimonial!!!

[rogue06]

And TOTALLY unnecessary to make the point.

(wait, when you say "they're not appropriate here", are you still talking about the entire staff? This is about me, isn't it?)

If I had written

• "their not appropriate here"
• "there not appropriate here"
• "they're not appropriate hear"
• "they're not appropriate hear"
• "their not appropriate hear"
• "there not appropriate hear"

THEN you can safely conclude that it was direct toward you.

The same if I used "knot" instead of "not."

Although it's still possible that a homophonic mistake could slip through now and then. So I guess you'll just have to wonder

[Cow Poke]

If I had written

• "their not appropriate here"
• "there not appropriate here"
• "they're not appropriate hear"
• "they're not appropriate hear"
• "their not appropriate hear"
• "there not appropriate hear"

THEN you can safely conclude that it was direct toward you.

The same if I used "knot" instead of "not."

Although it's still possible that a homophonic mistake could slip through now and then. So I guess you'll just have to wonder

Gee, talk about CRUELTY!

[Cow Poke]

Despite your tendency to use abusive terms towards me this is one area where you and I are in agreement.

Gondwanaland is a WOMAN ABUSER?

[Cow Poke]

BACK on Topic....

THE UGLY TRUTH ABOUT PETA -THEY’RE NOT WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK

I hesitated to write this post, because I don't do controversy, but I feel strongly that someone needs to set the record straight. PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) does very little to help animals. Instead, they promote terror campaigns and kill animals – even going so far as to steal family pets out of people's homes. I had no idea how bad the situation was until I started digging – then I was horrified. In this post, I'll share the ugly truth about PETA. It's time that the information was known, so homesteaders who raise their own meat don't have to face these ugly attacks alone.

[rogue06]

Gee, talk about CRUELTY!

Oh, dear brudder...

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[mossrose]

I think that could indeed be part of it. But one should note that animals were only 'given' in the bible after sin. One would think a rational Christian would strive toward eating plants and treating animals as they were BEFORE sin.

Not quite accurate. God made the animals before He made Adam, and gave the animals into Adam's care. God even used the word for "livestock". And every plant for food. The first animal killed was by God to make coverings for sin, yes. But God didn't forbid the eating of animals or the use of them for clothing after the fall, except certain ones which were unclean. But God removed even that restriction in Acts.

I've honestly spent the last several years as a vegan on the interwebs hearing stuff like this so I'm not entirely sure if you're serious or making a sarcastic point.

My first statement was serious. The last bit was definitely tongue in cheek.

[Mountain Man]

The answer is speciesism. Speciesism is a misguided belief that one species is more important than another. This toxic mindset is deeply ingrained in our society, and it results in all kinds of negative consequences.

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It's so hard to tell if PETA is sincere or a parody.

[Cow Poke]

Not quite accurate. God made the animals before He made Adam, and gave the animals into Adam's care. God even used the word for "livestock". And every plant for food. The first animal killed was by God to make coverings for sin, yes. But God didn't forbid the eating of animals or the use of them for clothing after the fall, except certain ones which were unclean. But God removed even that restriction in Acts.

And,

Scripture Verse: Genesis 9:1

Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. ² The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. ³ Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

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