Riots in DC outside capitol building

[kccd]

I want to be clear on how I characterize this. This is mostly a protest. It is not generally speaking unruly, but people have entered the capitol.

Trespassing, but mostly peaceful protest at capitol.

More than trespassing.

Windows and doors were broken to gain access.
Furniture was broken.
At least one statue was defaced.
A scroll hanging on a wall with Chinese characters was removed and destroyed.
They are still assessing the damage to the building and its contents.

A policeman was assaulted and later died in the hospital.

Not a peaceful protest, especially with lawmakers forced to huddle under their desks, and then evacuated for their safety.

Luckily many of these people will be identified through the many videos and pictures taken. They should all be charged, and there is also talk of putting them on the no-fly list of terrorists.

[Sparko]

More than trespassing.

Windows and doors were broken to gain access.
Furniture was broken.
At least one statue was defaced.
A scroll hanging on a wall with Chinese characters was removed and destroyed.
They are still assessing the damage to the building and its contents.

A policeman was assaulted and later died in the hospital.

Not a peaceful protest, especially with lawmakers forced to huddle under their desks, and then evacuated for their safety.

Luckily many of these people will be identified through the many videos and pictures taken. They should all be charged, and there is also talk of putting them on the no-fly list of terrorists.

I completely agree. But I think CivilDiscourse was referring to the huge number of Trump supporters who stayed outside and were peacefully protesting, not the ones who were inside being violent and destructive.

[CivilDiscourse]

I completely agree. But I think CivilDiscourse was referring to the huge number of Trump supporters who stayed outside and were peacefully protesting, not the ones who were inside being violent and destructive.

Actually, I was just tweaking tweets and banners from CNN covering riots with buildings burning during the summer.

[firstfloor]

What does Trump’s base make of his Thursday night address concerning the invasion of the Capitol? (Maybe Seer, Mountain Man or Sparko who I assume are baseists, might be able to answer)?

[Gondwanaland]

More than trespassing.

Windows and doors were broken to gain access.
Furniture was broken.
At least one statue was defaced.
A scroll hanging on a wall with Chinese characters was removed and destroyed.
They are still assessing the damage to the building and its contents.

A policeman was assaulted and later died in the hospital.

Not a peaceful protest, especially with lawmakers forced to huddle under their desks, and then evacuated for their safety.

Luckily many of these people will be identified through the many videos and pictures taken. They should all be charged, and there is also talk of putting them on the no-fly list of terrorists.

Wow that's it? No looted businesses, no burned down businesses?
what a weak peaceful protest. BLM knows how to make it way more peacefuller.

[mossrose]

It is a metaphor mossy. A metaphor for following Trump to their own destruction ... like the people headed to jail over their acts of sedition on wednesday.

Yeah, well, jail isn't Hell. You might confuse some people into thinking that if they follow the wrong guy they'll go to hell, which makes Christianity a works-based faith. You should be more careful with your metaphors in order not to lead people astray.

[oxmixmudd]

Actually, I was just tweaking tweets and banners from CNN covering riots with buildings burning during the summer.

Again, while violent actions in both cases where deplorable, this event involved violent actions against the center of our government in an attempt to overthrow it, to keep power in the hands of the loser of an election. The sedition of the President himself who not only incited the mob, but clearly tried to help clear the way for their success AHEAD OF TIME by having his secretary of defense block access by the DC NG to the equipment they would need to do so and refusing to authorize MD NG to enter the city and help put down the insurrection. Whether or not there was direct communication between the president and the secretary of defense on this is of course unknown, but the reality is EVERYONE knew there would be people in the crowd that would try to stop the EC count, and no-one in his right mind can say that the SOD blocking access to riot control equipment and ammunition was anything but an attempt to pave the road to success for whatever they might attempt.

There is no comparison here. The protests this summer arose out of a grave and long-standing injustice - not sedition and treason. They were not a ploy by the highest office in the land to undermine a free and fair election and illegally retain power. And the violence that accompanied them - though bad and wrong - never involved the direct attempt to take over government (the no-police zone in portland could be held up as having some elements of sedition in it - but it is a long way from what we saw Wednesday nevertheless).

Bottom line - again - there is no comparison between those protests and THIS. To pretend there is is just more delusion, more sycophantic love of Trump at the expense of our country and all of its principles.

[oxmixmudd]

Yeah, well, jail isn't Hell. You might confuse some people into thinking that if they follow the wrong guy they'll go to hell, which makes Christianity a works-based faith. You should be more careful with your metaphors in order not to lead people astray.

It's a metaphor Mossy. A literary form. Hell is the place of eternal destruction and suffering. These people have followed Trump into their own personal place of temporary destruction on this earth. The metaphor is apt and applies - with the exception of its duration.

But further - and in spite of your protests to the contrary - Jesus makes clear that those that claim to follow him in word only, but not also in deed are not in fact his true followers. The parable of the sheep and the goats is not applicable only to those that lived pre-Resurrection. This goes back to the nature of repentance and salvation - it is a free gift to be sure, and we are not judged by our failures in sin that might follow. But Paul makes clear God is not mocked, and people pretending to follow Christ in name only as 'fire insurance' are in grave danger of forfeiting their souls, or may have never been truly saved in the first place.

The salvation that comes through Christ changes us mossy. We can't just continue in willful, unrepentant sin if we have in fact been saved. And if we choose to follow a man into grave sin, and on recognizing what we are doing we continue in it, that calls into question our actual status before God. Only God can judge us mossy, not one of us can look at the other and know what is wheat and what is chaff, but we individually had better pay attention to the fact there IS wheat and there IS chaff, and not take for granted that so great a pardon bought at so great a cost can be treated as cheap and superficial.

[CivilDiscourse]

Again, while violent actions in both cases where deplorable, this event involved violent actions against the center of our government in an attempt to overthrow it, to keep power in the hands of the loser of an election. The sedition of the President himself who not only incited the mob, but clearly tried to help clear the way for their success AHEAD OF TIME by having his secretary of defense block access by the DC NG to the equipment they would need to do so and refusing to authorize MD NG to enter the city and help put down the insurrection. Whether or not there was direct communication between the president and the secretary of defense on this is of course unknown, but the reality is EVERYONE knew there would be people in the crowd that would try to stop the EC count, and no-one in his right mind can say that the SOD blocking access to riot control equipment and ammunition was anything but an attempt to pave the road to success for whatever they might attempt.

There is no comparison here. The protests this summer arose out of a grave and long-standing injustice - not sedition and treason. They were not a ploy by the highest office in the land to undermine a free and fair election and illegally retain power. And the violence that accompanied them - though bad and wrong - never involved the direct attempt to take over government (the no-police zone in portland could be held up as having some elements of sedition in it - but it is a long way from what we saw Wednesday nevertheless).

Bottom line - again - there is no comparison between those protests and THIS. To pretend there is is just more delusion, more sycophantic love of Trump at the expense of our country and all of its principles.

You can keep hyperventilating all you want. These are comparable. BLM even compares it, though just to say that if it was them rioting they'd have it worse.

So, yes. There's alot of parallels between the two. Noting the spin is valid. Noting that people justified, and normalized political violence, and now complain when political violence happens from a group they don't like is valid. You want to call it apples and oranges because to do otherwise would force you to actually come to terms with how the lefts behavior during the last 4 years has had a huge impact on how people think this sort of conflict should be handled.

[Gondwanaland]

Again, while violent actions in both cases where deplorable, this event involved violent actions against the center of our government in an attempt to overthrow it, to keep power in the hands of the loser of an election. The sedition of the President himself who not only incited the mob, but clearly tried to help clear the way for their success AHEAD OF TIME by having his secretary of defense block access by the DC NG to the equipment they would need to do so and refusing to authorize MD NG to enter the city and help put down the insurrection. Whether or not there was direct communication between the president and the secretary of defense on this is of course unknown, but the reality is EVERYONE knew there would be people in the crowd that would try to stop the EC count, and no-one in his right mind can say that the SOD blocking access to riot control equipment and ammunition was anything but an attempt to pave the road to success for whatever they might attempt.

There is no comparison here. The protests this summer arose out of a grave and long-standing injustice - not sedition and treason. They were not a ploy by the highest office in the land to undermine a free and fair election and illegally retain power. And the violence that accompanied them - though bad and wrong - never involved the direct attempt to take over government (the no-police zone in portland could be held up as having some elements of sedition in it - but it is a long way from what we saw Wednesday nevertheless).

Bottom line - again - there is no comparison between those protests and THIS. To pretend there is is just more delusion, more sycophantic love of Trump at the expense of our country and all of its principles.

And BLM tried burning the city around the Capitol and white house. So? They also stormed federal buildings including courthouses, and violently took over police precincts. But you're right, they were different - they also attacked businesses and fellow citizens homes and apartments, and took over entire parts of cities and declared them separate from the US, where this current group only targeted government.

[Sparko]

It is just as hypocritical for people to point the finger at the rioters at the Capitol while excusing the riots all summer long, as it would be for someone to point the finger at the riots all summer long while excusing the riot at the Capitol. Neither should be excused or claimed to be "better" or "worse" than the other in any way. I call on everyone to be consistent and condemn all violent riots as wrong. At least we should all agree on that. Stop being partisan lackeys.

[CivilDiscourse]

More than trespassing.

Windows and doors were broken to gain access.
Furniture was broken.
At least one statue was defaced.
A scroll hanging on a wall with Chinese characters was removed and destroyed.
They are still assessing the damage to the building and its contents.

A policeman was assaulted and later died in the hospital.

Not a peaceful protest, especially with lawmakers forced to huddle under their desks, and then evacuated for their safety.

Luckily many of these people will be identified through the many videos and pictures taken. They should all be charged, and there is also talk of putting them on the no-fly list of terrorists.

"it's just property"

[oxmixmudd]

You can keep hyperventilating all you want. These are comparable. BLM even compares it, though just to say that if it was them rioting they'd have it worse.

So, yes. There's alot of parallels between the two. Noting the spin is valid. Noting that people justified, and normalized political violence, and now complain when political violence happens from a group they don't like is valid. You want to call it apples and oranges because to do otherwise would force you to actually come to terms with how the lefts behavior during the last 4 years has had a huge impact on how people think this sort of conflict should be handled.

Any violence is bad. But there can be no comparison between in some cases violent protests of centuries old racism seen in the unlawful murder of black people by police and the president of the US trying to take by force a second term.


I can only pity you that you would for any reason diminish the sedition of a traitor willing to try to unlawfully steal power and assault our senators and congressman to do it.

I can only pity you that you would try to lesson the severity of THAT to create yet another platform to air your hatred of BLM and/or the democrats.

[CivilDiscourse]

Any violence is bad. But there can be no comparison between protests of centuries old racism manifesting itself as the unlawful murder of black people by police in some cases turning violent and the president of the US trying to take by force a second term.


I can only pity you that you would for any reason get behind a traitor willing to try to unlawfully steal power and assault our senators and congressman to do it.

I can only pity you that you would try to excuse THAT to create yet another platform to air your hatred of BLM

See, that's the problem. I'm not behind trump, nor have I excused him or his action. That is you projecting in order to avoid addressing the hypocrisy.

[oxmixmudd]

And BLM tried burning the city around the Capitol and white house. So? They also stormed federal buildings including courthouses, and violently took over police precincts. But you're right, they were different - they also attacked businesses and fellow citizens homes and apartments, and took over entire parts of cities and declared them separate from the US, where this current group only targeted government.

As bad as all that was - and it WAS bad - it doesn't hold a candle to a sitting president inciting a mob to storm the capital and take BY FORCE a second term.