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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostTreason is a legal concept. I don't think you can get to a moral equivalent from what he actually said.
I genuinely don't get the rush to defend him. Then again, Trump did say he could shoot somebody in broad daylight and that it wouldn't affect his poll numbers. I think he was right on that one."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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I don't think Trump was joking. I know it wasn't treason. And no, being unwilling to jump on the treason bandwagon isn't being a partisan hack anymore than being unwilling to jump on the Hillary has seizures bandwagon.
Both. are. stupid."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI was already thinking of starting a thread on the many Trump-russia links. Russian investment in Trumps businesses, Trump and Putin complementing each other, Russian hackers in the DNC systems, Trump mostly ignoring the party platform except interfering to ensure America wasn't blocking a Russian takeover of Estonia, wanting to pull out of NATO etc... lots of Trump links to Russia, none of which is highly suspicious in its own right, but they've begun to add up.
It's possible that Vlad simply sees Hillary as a war-mongering hawk and Trump as a simpleton and also a noninterventionist and so thinks a Trump presidency will allow Russia to expand militarily in a way that a Clinton presidency won't.
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostI was already thinking of starting a thread on the many Trump-russia links. Russian investment in Trumps businesses, Trump and Putin complementing each other, Russian hackers in the DNC systems, Trump mostly ignoring the party platform except interfering to ensure America wasn't blocking a Russian takeover of Estonia, wanting to pull out of NATO etc... lots of Trump links to Russia, none of which is highly suspicious in its own right, but they've begun to add up.
It's possible that Vlad simply sees Hillary as a war-mongering hawk and Trump as a simpleton and also a noninterventionist and so thinks a Trump presidency will allow Russia to expand militarily in a way that a Clinton presidency won't.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI don't think Trump was joking. I know it wasn't treason. And no, being unwilling to jump on the treason bandwagon isn't being a partisan hack anymore than being unwilling to jump on the Hillary has seizures bandwagon.
Both. are. stupid.
It does bother me that Jaecp gets accused of being "stupid" for not thinking he was joking, even though you and I both think that as well."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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This is just too much for me right now... Out.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI see the moral equivalent as being that he does not have American security interests in mind, at least compared to personal interests.
I genuinely don't get the rush to defend him. Then again, Trump did say he could shoot somebody in broad daylight and that it wouldn't affect his poll numbers. I think he was right on that one.
Or had you forgotten treason is a capital offense?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostObvious sarcastic hyperbole to mock the DNC claim that Russia hacked them
Yeah convict Trump on treason over a joke while letting Hillary get away with breaking national security laws and the DNC rigging the nomination
That sounds about right
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostJust to clarify, I'm not accusing you of that. I think you've made a fairly strong case that he's legally in the clear, if not morally.
It does bother me that Jaecp gets accused of being "stupid" for not thinking he was joking, even though you and I both think that as well.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostJust to clarify, I'm not accusing you of that. I think you've made a fairly strong case that he's legally in the clear, if not morally.
It does bother me that Jaecp gets accused of being "stupid" for not thinking he was joking, even though you and I both think that as well."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Jaecp View PostI've been telling the mods, for years, that atheists get routinely crapped on this forum largely for being members of the out group in a Christian majority website regardless of the content posted :-/"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIt's the lameness of the accusation - treason? Seriously? Really stupid comment from a candidate, yes; reason to have him executed, NO!
Or had you forgotten treason is a capital offense?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo, Jae was accusing me via the broad brush. I think his accusation (partisan hack) is stupid. I find yours (treason) more disturbing but that point seems to be settled. I don't think anyone is stupid - but even genius' have idiotic arguments from time to time.
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