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My personal experience of evangelism
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You make very little sense. Your first paragraph praises the passing on of knowledge. Your second paragraph condemns it.
You've got a massively begged question. You're not comparing apples with apples.
In short, while on first glance your post appears eminently sensible, it's full of so much bad logic that it's worthless. THIS WILL NOT DO.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNothing wrong with Robert Eisenman. He is a well respected Biblical scholar. I still read his works.
Which brings me, somehow, to an idea about masters and pupils, and evangelists:
The source of knowledge about the universe is the universe itself. As more and more knowledge is extracted human beings have had to specialise in order that progress can continue. Without specialisation we would reach a point when the pupil would consume his entire life simply to copy his master’s knowledge. So progress, which entails a constant revision of ideas, requires the ability to condense experience and pass it on efficiently to future generations by the recruitment of more and more experts in ever more refined areas of knowledge.
Now, contrast this process with evangelism. Evangelism is the anti-progressive conservation of magical or sacred knowledge. While it is aimed at giving people a special perspective on the world it is simultaneously a contamination in the endeavour by education to overcome the undesirable aspects of our nature and habits. It looks backwards to a fictional idyllic existence and forwards to an equally fictional cataclysm. THIS WILL NOT DO.Last edited by firstfloor; 04-26-2015, 07:22 AM.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostPaul was a crafty one to be sure. (firstfloor is still reading Robert Eisenman)
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostT'is why Paul said Imitate me as I imitate Christ.Last edited by firstfloor; 04-26-2015, 04:08 AM.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAbigail wrote. "Jesus who in turn teaches us how to love others...." You obviously have failed to learn the "how" since you never fail to not show love in your posts.
This aside from your dishonesty.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThat's one major difference between the Protestant and Catholic/Orthodox approach. Protestants tend to go for the quick conversion and admittance, then work towards understanding (I've experienced one exception to this, which involved a Hindu convert to Christianity in college). Catholic/Orthodox churches make sure the person has sufficient understanding, only then allowing admittance. Protestants tend to take the same tack in ecumenism, which is why many Orthodox take a dim view of the ecumenical movement (strangely, Catholics tend to be very Protestant-like in this area).
*There could be exceptions, but I'm not aware of any.
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostIf I'm reading you right, your issue is with insincerity, dishonesty and deception-by-omission in evangelism, rather than with the idea of evangelism per se?
I think Jesus wouldn't be too impressed with the kinds of sharp practices you encountered. I've always understood the 'Great Commission' to be about helping people to know Jesus as I know Him, and to choose to consciously and actively follow Him in their lives, for all their lives. That's not the kind of hing that happens if you take 'shortcuts' and rush people into a 'commitment'.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View Post"ivied che"
Does that have anything to do with cookies?
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostYou mean THAN firstfloor?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostFor better or for worse Christians are still just human beings with all that entails.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostFor better or for worse Christians are still just human beings with all that entails.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostWhat I mean is that although some Christians are attractive exemplars of their faith, I find them to be no more numerous than exemplary Buddhists, atheists, Hindus, and so on. I think it has more to do with spiritual development (see my other thread about this) than it does to the actual content of any particular faith.
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