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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seasanctuary View PostIt--and similar arguments--have succeeded for a growing number of fundamentalist Christians.
The difference has more to do with a person's empathy for LGBT people than with their stance toward the Bible.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostThat people accept the argument does not in any way imply that the argument is correct.
Thank you for admitting the obvious: their support of homosexual acts and relationships are more to do with the feels rather than Scripture.
Just because a religious belief considers such acts immoral does not justify passing laws that forbid such relationships. Some religions of the world and secular cultures may not prohibit homosexual relationships and separation of church and state should stand and not pass such laws.Last edited by shunyadragon; 02-25-2015, 12:06 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe book trying to justify the morality of homosexual relationships is a mistake. There are not any references in the Bible that achieve that goal, and a number that outright forbid such relationships. It is like driving square pegs into square holes. There is modern views of morality and science that may be used as basis for secular morality that accepts homosexual morality, but the Bible, Islam and the Baha'i Fait do not accept homosexual relationships as moral. The natural case that homosexual relationships are the natural desire of some people, does not justify the morality of such relationships except from a secular perspective.
Just because a religious belief considers such acts immoral does not justify passing laws that forbid such relationships. Some religions of the world and secular cultures may not prohibit homosexual relationships and separation of church and state should stand and not pass such laws.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostJust because a religious belief considers such acts immoral does not justify passing laws that forbid such relationships. Some religions of the world and secular cultures may not prohibit homosexual relationships and separation of church and state should stand and not pass such laws.Originally posted by Paprika View PostI disagree.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostExodus 21:16 and 22:21 ??
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostLike I said, the Tanakh does not come right out and condemn slavery (unless it's against them).
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Let's grant that, for argument's sake: Since the Law was to establish the Israelites as a model nation living according to God's ethics and social patterns, we can conclude that God didn't want anyone to have slaves.
Exodus 22:21
Originally posted by CEVExo 22:21 Do not mistreat or abuse foreigners who live among you. Remember, you were foreigners in Egypt.Originally posted by NIVExo 22:21 Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.
I personally find it hard to see how Israelites could forcibly enslave any foreigners without mistreating or oppressing them....>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostYou're saying that Exodus 21 and following was only applicable to social relations etc between Israelites?
Originally posted by MaxVel View PostI personally find it hard to see how Israelites could forcibly enslave any foreigners without mistreating or oppressing them.
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat does consent have to do with it? That is just an arbitrary distinction.Last edited by Tassman; 02-27-2015, 03:52 AM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd that is key Sea - your notion.The Paedophilia has his notion of morality, and you have yours. No position is more correct or valid.Last edited by Tassman; 02-27-2015, 03:59 AM.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post...and more to the point, you have yours namely "blindly following some rules without concern for others unless the rules say to do so", to quote seasanctuary. That's not morality, that's unquestioned obedience of the sort demanded by all totalitarian rulers - from Yahweh to Genghis Khan to Joseph Stalin and Hitler.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat is wrong with totalitarian rulers? After all that is exactly what we find in higher primate groups, and in most of human history. So it must have survival advantage?
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Originally posted by whag View PostYes, and who made that form of rule in primates? And where you think those expressions like war come from, human beings primates and all?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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