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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seasanctuary View PostThe primary thing I'm trying to convey is that when Christians are ready to be affirming, they'll be able to do so from general principles and the lack of Bible verses explicitly addressing same sex marriage. Vine's book is a taste of the future Christian mainstream.
Perhaps, the conscientious Christian can agree that the Biblical authors got it wrong on homosexuality and seek to end the stigmatization of a relatively small portion of humanity and stop calling how they are oriented as individuals "sinful" or deviant.
But, as is evidenced by those who hold a traditional view of scripture, I wouldn't hold my breath. I think the only safe thing for a homosexual person to do is to stay away from the more traditional Christian organizations for their own mental health.
There are a fair amount of progressive Christian communities who no longer view gays as modern day untouchables. I think, though, that maybe they should form an editorial committee and remove those sections of the Bible that are so offensive in order to be consistent with their worldview.
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostAgain, I really applaud the effort of Vine and others who are seeking a compromise that will allow them to affirm the Bible (both Tanakh and Christian Testament) as "God's Word" and what their conscience is telling them is the right thing to do, but tradition and Biblical exegesis is on Seer's side.
Perhaps, the conscientious Christian can agree that the Biblical authors got it wrong on homosexuality and seek to end the stigmatization of a relatively small portion of humanity and stop calling how they are oriented as individuals "sinful" or deviant.
But, as is evidenced by those who hold a traditional view of scripture, I wouldn't hold my breath. I think the only safe thing for a homosexual person to do is to stay away from the more traditional Christian organizations for their own mental health.
There are a fair amount of progressive Christian communities who no longer view gays as modern day untouchables. I think, though, that maybe they should form an editorial committee and remove those sections of the Bible that are so offensive in order to be consistent with their worldview.
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Originally posted by Enjolras View PostSlavery was once actively promoted by Christians too and there again, the Bible offers much support. Yet, few today find slavery acceptable. So you never know...
The Quran, Tanakh and Christian Testament authors go out of their way to condemn homosexuality - even calling it an "abomination," which is the mother of all condemnations.
So, for those who worship the Bible / Tanakh / Quran as God's / G-d's / Allah's Word, it's a deal breaker to accept homosexuality.
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou are right of course. But what the opposition is saying is that no matter how much pedophilia love may be natural to some, it is not deemed natural according to their understanding of God's law
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostPaedophilia is unacceptable because one of the party cannot give informed consent - just as women for many centuries under Christian rule were considered chattels of men and had little say re their well-being.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostPaedophilia is unacceptable because one of the party cannot give informed consent - just as women for many centuries under Christian rule were considered chattels of men and had little say re their well-being.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostThe Quran, Tanakh and Christian Testament authors go out of their way to condemn homosexuality - even calling it an "abomination," which is the mother of all condemnations.
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostThe Biblical support for slavery in the Bible is that it doesn't come right out and condemn it (unless it's being perpetrated against the "Chosen People").
NORM...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou are right of course. But what the opposition is saying is that no matter how much homosexual love may be natural to some, it is not deemed natural according to their understanding of God's law. But God has often dragged the chain on social issues, e.g. racial discrimination, equal rights for women and slavery, but He usually gets it right in the end.Originally posted by EnjolrasSlavery was once actively promoted by Christians too and there again, the Bible offers much support. Yet, few today find slavery acceptable. So you never know...
Wow.......>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat does consent have to do with it? That is just an arbitrary distinction.
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Originally posted by seasanctuary View PostThe primary thing I'm trying to convey is that when Christians are ready to be affirming, they'll be able to do so from general principles and the lack of Bible verses explicitly addressing same sex marriage.
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Originally posted by seasanctuary View PostWell, it depends. If your notion of morality has to do with treating others well, consent is very important. If your notion of morality has to do with blindly following some rules without concern for others unless the rules say to do so, then I can see your point.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostAs you very well know, they cannot do that and remain true to Scripture. Vine's argument utterly fails.
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