Originally posted by footwasher
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This is a very serious problem for any proposed theory or doctrine. Would you agree?
Most or all of what you have said about faith, trusting God, and learning through suffering and trials and obedience is all true, of course. It's a huge part of our life on this earth and our spiritual progress and is very important for all disciples to know.
But I see zero biblical support for your assertion that those things are in any way related to or necessary to receive the Holy Spirit.
Where are the verses that clearly support your alleged connection between those different things? That's what I have to see.
Not verses merely talking about faith and trials, but verses which show that those things are related to and necessary to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.
As Esther and NorrinRadd and tabibito and I have listed above, there are many crystal-clear verses and passages talking about and demonstrating how one receives/is baptized into the Holy Spirit.
But I don't see any of those verses even mentioning your ideas, let alone agreeing with you. Quite the contrary. And as I pointed out, the example of Jesus being tempted―after he was baptized with the Holy Spirit―directly contradicts your proposed order of events.
These things are all very strong evidence that your idea is incorrect.
And now in support of your theory you are directly contradicting Jesus himself. ???
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