You can put as much lipstick on that pig as you'd like, but referendum is still a dumb word to use with "let all things be in order".... They weren't "voting" on anything, they were being led by the Spirit of the Living God.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostIt's a hard job, but someone's got to do it. Footwashing, pruning, whatchamacallit. Oh yeah, laying down your life.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostIt's called standing in the gap...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, use good form!
1 Corinthians 12:10Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostPaul fears he will, after ensuring others have been sanctified, himself lose the prize, so he beats his body to ensure he enters rest.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostWhy would I listen to worldly advice?
1 Corinthians 12:10Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.
1 Cor 12:10 says "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:"
NOT what you claimed it said.
Interestingly enough, the scripture you referenced is all about UNITY in the body, showing how all member so the body work together, and culminates with "That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another."
I love ya man!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostWrong. Paul fears he will, after ensuring others have been sanctified, himself lose the prize, so he beats his body to ensure he enters rest. His success is recorded here:
2 Timothy 4:6For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come.7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith.
Phillipians 2:17But even if I am being poured out as a drink offering upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I rejoice and share my joy with you all.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWhen you reply with "Wrong," it helps to actually attempt to rebut the point made. These scriptures are utterly irrelevant to the point I made.
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post159599
2 Corinthians 5:21For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.
http://ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Becom...hteousness.pdf
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Third, this reading of 5:21 has tied it in quite tightly, I think, to the whole argument of chaps. 3-5. This suggests to me that, although of course the first half of chap. 6 grows organically out of just this conclusion, it is misleading to treat 5:19 as though it were the conclusion of the long preceding argument and 5:20 as though it were the start of the new one. When it is read in the way I have suggested, 5:20-21 forms the natural climax to the entire argument of the preceding three chapters, with 6:1 being the point where Paul turns to address a specific appeal to the Corinthians. They have, after all, already been reconciled to God (5:20); 15 now they need to be urged not to receive this grace in vain (6:1). Moreover, they now have a significant new motive to heed this appeal: the one who speaks is not simply an odd, shabby, battle-scarred jailbird, but one who, however surprisingly, is a revelation in person of the covenant faithfulness of God.
Do you know what is meant by the term " covenantal faithfulness of God"?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think we're beginning to see a little better why you're so screwed up. Flip over another book to 2 Corinthians.
1 Cor 12:10 says "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:"
NOT what you claimed it said.
Interestingly enough, the scripture you referenced is all about UNITY in the body, showing how all member so the body work together, and culminates with "That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another."
I love ya man!
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostCP, how can we talk when you are still on milk food?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostActually, the Holy Spirit...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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