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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNope - begging the ban hammer.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostHow can you hear the devil's voice if he has been killed? Obviously, something else is being conveyed in the text.
The only other meaning indicated is that Jesus has put to death the deeds of his body, the desires of his flesh, the temptations of his body, not a person, the devil. It's obvious that the text uses flowery speech to describe what happened to the personification of temptation.That meaning is in no wise required. The power of satan has been destroyed.
You're right, so refrigeration makes possible eating of lightly cooked, even raw food. So why do people continue to over cook food like it was not refrigerated, like in times past without refrigeration and destroy valuable life sustaining nutrients? Because they don't want to improve their understanding. They feel doing so will throw out the understanding that worked well. They don't know that it really didn't work well.
In my analogy, why are believers not always reforming, improving their understanding, as advised by the reformers?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMy apologies, footwasher - I keep getting you mixed up with firstfloor, our incredibly annoying resident anti-Christian atheist. You guys seem to have the same personality.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI agree that the meaning of the text is not straightforward.
That meaning is in no wise required. The power of satan has been destroyed.
If satan's power is destroyed, why are believers still sinning and experiencing judgment?
Ephesians 5:3
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Perhaps they just prefer the taste of well-cooked food.
"Always reforming" is a fallacy of the reformation. Seeking to improve one's understanding is a good thing, but we shouldn't be constantly starting from scratch; that's how we get to all these widely divergent ideas in Protestantism today.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostI feel sad you aren't benefitting from the discussion. No one is forcing you to read my posts.
I'm just wondering - do you ever start any threads or join in any conversations where you're encouraging, uplifting, or otherwise "getting along" with other Christians? (You know, like it talks about a whole lot in the New Testament)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou sure have a lot of sadness in your life.
I'm just wondering - do you ever start any threads or join in any conversations where you're encouraging, uplifting, or otherwise "getting along" with other Christians? (You know, like it talks about a whole lot in the New Testament)Last edited by footwasher; 02-12-2015, 11:27 AM.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostEven that isn't an option. If satan's power is destroyed, why are we still tempted?
If satan's power is destroyed, why are believers still sinning and experiencing judgment?
Ephesians 5:3
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Even though it has lost life preserving nutrients? That's so insightful.
People love doctrine that sounds good, even though it has lost its life giving elements! Can I use that in my blog? Thank you in advance.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostBecause we're still living in a creation impacted by sin.
That's why people eat canned vegetables - they like the taste, and they can be stored indefinitely. Most people also don't realize how much nutrition is destroyed in the canning process.
Sure.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostSo satan's power has not been destroyed?No. Satan is not our sin nature.
So you recommend that people who love doctrine that sounds good, even though it has lost its life giving elements should be left alone?
I mean how is growth promoted?
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostNo. Don't play stupid.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostHilarious! Where have we heard those words before, "Why can't we just get along?"
"By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
So, the question still stands - do you ever start any threads or join in any conversations where you're encouraging, uplifting, or otherwise "getting along" with other Christians? (You know, like it talks about a whole lot in the New Testament)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostSuppose I've experienced good food while serving overseas.
When I'm back stateside, I see that people eat in a way reflecting tradition. They won't eat raw food because traditionally, cooking sterilizes food. I see other cultures sterilizing food by refrigeration. So although we have refrigeration in our society, we still follow traditions that don't acknowledge it.
When I prepare food hygienically, food taken out of refrigeration, cleaned and cooked lightly, my friends and family hold back instinctively.
Why buck tradition? They say. Why fix something which ain't broke?
Because overcooking kills essential vitamins and minerals. Because cultures cooking right have the least infirmities and highest life expectancies.
Reformation is a continuous process.
Reformation can't happen without checks and balances, and constant checks and balances.
Which cannot happen if every exploration is blocked with an accusation of fomenting divisiveness.
1-You did not in any way respond to what I posted.
2-Americans eat all sorts of different foods, raw, lightly cooked, and heavily cooked. Different foods get different preparations. Your entire post is irrelevant as far as I can see. It is relevant neither to what I posted, nor to the question of a legal requirement to attend church.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostNo. Satan is not our sin nature.
No. Don't play stupid.
Food is life sustaining when it is cooked lightly.
Food may taste better well cooked, but loses life sustaining properties.
Reformation/correction should be avoided because its bad to keep changing mindsets even in the light of better research because it leads to confusion.
Discussion and growth are not synonymous with reformation.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAren't you confusing "joy" with "happiness" here? I am pleased with good food, but joy is with me all the time - even in the saddest moments.Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostTwo points:
1-You did not in any way respond to what I posted.
2-Americans eat all sorts of different foods, raw, lightly cooked, and heavily cooked. Different foods get different preparations. Your entire post is irrelevant as far as I can see. It is relevant neither to what I posted, nor to the question of a legal requirement to attend church.Last edited by footwasher; 02-12-2015, 06:59 PM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJesus.
"By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
So, the question still stands - do you ever start any threads or join in any conversations where you're encouraging, uplifting, or otherwise "getting along" with other Christians? (You know, like it talks about a whole lot in the New Testament)
1. Are you willing to discuss a specific text?
2. Are you willing to persevere and avoid walking away in a huff?Last edited by footwasher; 02-12-2015, 06:57 PM.
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