Praying to Mary is worshiping Mary

[robrecht]

Galatians 4:8

There is only one God but by praying to her they have made her their god. She is a false god but a "for" for them.

Well, at least you seem to tacitly acknowledge that you cannot defend contradictory claims. But it would be better, ie, more honest, if you would explicitly retract at least one of your contradictory false claims.

[foudroyant]

They are not contradictory.
Paul dealt with the same thing. There is no God but one by nature (Galatians 4:8) but people can pray to anything/anyone that is not God and they become a "god" for them (1 Corinthians 10:19-20).

[robrecht]

They are not contradictory.
Paul dealt with the same thing. There is no God but one by nature (Galatians 4:8) but people can pray to anything/anyone that is not God and they become a "god" for them (1 Corinthians 10:19-20).

Either Catholics believe Mary is a god or they are deluded and pray to her thinking she is not a god. Can't be both. Make up your mind.

[foudroyant]

They have made her their God by praying to her.
I have taught this all along. No need to make up my mind.

[robrecht]

They have made her their God by praying to her.
I have taught this all along. No need to make up my mind.

They cannot believe she is a god and not believe she is a god at the same time. You seem to think two opposite things can be true at the same time, but the rest of us (Catholics included) realize two opposite things cannot both be true at the same time.

[foudroyant]

Already addressed in Post #949 and the first sentence of #951.

[robrecht]

They cannot believe she is a god and not believe she is a god at the same time. You seem to think two opposite things can be true at the same time, but the rest of us (Catholics included) realize two opposite things cannot both be true at the same time.

Already addressed in Post #949 and the first sentence of #951.

So let's see how you addressed this:

They are not contradictory.
Paul dealt with the same thing. There is no God but one by nature (Galatians 4:8) but people can pray to anything/anyone that is not God and they become a "god" for them (1 Corinthians 10:19-20).

They have made her their God by praying to her.

Oops. You did not address how Catholics can supposedly believe she is a god and not believe she is a god at the same time.

Let's try to clarify your position from the ground up. Which of the following statements do you think is true?

A. Catholics believe Mary is a god.

B. Catholics do not believe Mary is a god.

C. Both of the above.

D. None of the above.

[tabibito]

Foudroyant seems to think that the saints are unknowingly being treated as gods. That wouldn't be heresy anyway - just a misguided action, so even by what seems to be his belief, a charge of heresy can't be sustained. Even if it could be substantiated that the saints were being treated as gods, that charge would be nothing more than a malicious slander.

[foudroyant]

So let's see how you addressed this:



Oops. You did not address how Catholics can supposedly believe she is a god and not believe she is a god at the same time.

Let's try to clarify your position from the ground up. Which of the following statements do you think is true?

A. Catholics believe Mary is a god.

B. Catholics do not believe Mary is a god.

C. Both of the above.

D. None of the above.

Trainreck you are pathetic.
I explain this over and over and you just are so dense.

Pay real close attention now.....

By praying to Mary the RCC has made her into their God.
Ontologically the biblical Mary is not God.
But the heretical CATHOLIC Mary is a God to them.

[foudroyant]

Foudroyant seems to think that the saints are unknowingly being treated as gods. That wouldn't be heresy anyway - just a misguided action, so even by what seems to be his belief, a charge of heresy can't be sustained. Even if it could be substantiated that the saints were being treated as gods, that charge would be nothing more than a malicious slander.

They offer them silent prayers and feel confident that they hear them.

And....not one passage in the Bible can be cited where prayer is not worship.

[robrecht]

Trainreck you are pathetic.
I explain this over and over and you just are so dense.

Pay real close attention now.....

By praying to Mary the RCC has made her into their God.
Ontologically the biblical Mary is not God.
But the heretical CATHOLIC Mary is a God to them.

I understand all that. That is not the what I am asking you. Here is my question for you:

A. Catholics believe Mary is a god.

B. Catholics do not believe Mary is a god.

C. Both of the above.

D. None of the above.

[tabibito]

They offer them silent prayers and feel confident that they hear them.

And....not one passage in the Bible can be cited where prayer is not worship.

No passage can be cited that defines prayer as worship. And the Bible does show that people are legitimately prayed to - except when that prayer is a specific type, which is reserved for addressing a deity. Even that form of prayer is not defined as worship - it is simply done on occasion within the context of worship - which your extra-biblical references also state.

[foudroyant]

No passage can be cited that defines prayer as worship. And the Bible does show that people are legitimately prayed to - except when that prayer is a specific type, which is reserved for addressing a deity. Even that form of prayer is not defined as worship - it is simply done on occasion within the context of worship - which your extra-biblical references also state.

Every one is worship.

Simple and correct.

[foudroyant]

I understand all that. That is not the what I am asking you. Here is my question for you:

A. Catholics believe Mary is a god.

B. Catholics do not believe Mary is a god.

C. Both of the above.

D. None of the above.

i dont care what they say they believe just like the idiot basketball player who believes he is playing baseball. the facts speak otherwise to what all those morons say.

[robrecht]

i dont care what they say they believe just like the idiot basketball player who believes he is playing baseball. the facts speak otherwise to what all those morons say.

You cared enough before to misrepresent what they say and believe. Misrepresentation is wrong.