Praying to Mary is worshiping Mary

[foudroyant]

In your general ignorance (scriptural and social) you seem not to have an understanding of the English language. Etymologicaly speaking, worship, in old English, simply means giving someone their worth. In terms of Jesus, we would not have received Jesus without Mary (or some equivalent), so logically she deserves our appreciation!!!

Another idiot comment that was already dealt with in Post #212.
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This was posted in #688 and #788 and now here is Post #888.

Let them praise the name of the LORD, For His name alone is exalted; His glory is above earth and heaven. (Psalm 148:13, NASB)

The only one due praise by every person is God. This is because His name ALONE is exalted. By offering praises (yes, this is prayer here) to Mary the RCC and others who pray to her are assigning her a position which God alone possesses.
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Psalm 65:2
O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come. (KJV)

Myriads of people can go to God in prayer at any time with many requests - and these requests can all be done silently and yet God will fully know them all.
Your demonic "Mary" does not qualify.
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Still not one prayer from the Bible was cited that isn't worship.

Your "god" has been dethroned.

[robrecht]

Never said it IS a baseball game dummy but the point can't be refuted. All the evidence points to the contrary.

If you had a good case you would not need to make up false claims about what Catholics supposedly say but don't admit to. You cannot point to Catholics saying what you claim they say so your claims are false. It is a patently absurd attempt to fabricate an unfalsifiable unsubstantiated claim. So sorry for you. Repent of your falsehoods.

[foudroyant]

He made a 3 point shot at the buzzer but got in trouble because his parents told him he couldn't play basketball for a week. Hey, no problem he insisted that he was really playing baseball. Since he insists he is really playing baseball his parents should really not bother him about.

Idiot.

Trainreck,
Repent of your heresy and stupidity.

[robrecht]

He made a 3 point shot at the buzzer but got in trouble because his parents told him he couldn't play basketball for a week. Hey, no problem he insisted that he was really playing baseball. Since he insists he is really playing baseball his parents should really not bother him about.

Idiot.

Trainreck,
Repent of your heresy and stupidity.

Prove your honesty by pointing to a single place where Catholics say Mary can search the hearts in equality with the Holy Spirit or that Mary can guide prayers according to the will of God in equality with the Holy Spirit.

[foudroyant]

Can't you get it through your thick skull that the won't admit it but by their actions they affirm it. I have said this over and over.

[robrecht]

Can't you get it through your thick skull that the won't admit it but by their actions they affirm it. I have said this over and over.

You claimed Catholics said these things, but they do not. You, and you alone, make these false claims. Instead of validating your false claims you offer only your interpretation of their actions, which you do not even understand.

[foudroyant]

They say one thing but affirm another by their actions.
Need me to repeat that for ya?

[robrecht]

They say one thing but affirm another by their actions.
Need me to repeat that for ya?

Only according to your interpretation, but not according to their own interpretation, not according to what they believe, intend, and say. They do not say what you claim they say. Thus your claim is absolutely false. You made it up. You cannot substantiate it. You want us to take your word for it? If you had a reputation for telling the truth, I would consider it.

[tabibito]

You wrote, "Quite clearly omniscience isn't needed to hear and understand prayer..."

Quite clearly Romans 8:26-27 teaches otherwise (See Post #872).

Nope. You claim that Romans 8:26-27 teaches otherwise. People who actually have a better than year three standard of reading comprehension know better.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Again - no human is said to be praying in the passage. What it does say is: The Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness, intercedes when we don't know what to pray for. The one who searches the heart (God) knows the mind of the Holy Spirit ... that is to say, the intent of the Holy Spirit ... because the Holy Spirit is making intercession in accord with God.

[foudroyant]

Only according to your interpretation, but not according to their own interpretation, not according to what they believe, intend, and say. They do not say what you claim they say. Thus your claim is absolutely false. You made it up. You cannot substantiate it. You want us to take your word for it? If you had a reputation for telling the truth, I would consider it.

He is really a baseball player. For anyone to insist that he is in fact a basketball player is just their interpretation.

[foudroyant]

Again - no human is said to be praying in the passage.

Mr. Dunce strikes again.

Post #860.

[robrecht]

He is really a baseball player. For anyone to insist that he is in fact a basketball player is just their interpretation.

There's a difference between your interpretation of other people and the other people you think you are judging correctly. What you say about other people is just that, what you say. Not what they say. Learn the difference.

[tabibito]

The topic of that section of Romans 8 is

We wait in hope and the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. The section is not about prayer, despite the wishful thinking that would have it otherwise.

According to Romans 8:26-27, who is praying? Not - what does the gospel according to the hosts say about the verses, what do the verses themselves say?

Do they say that the Holy Spirit assists our prayers?
Do they say the Holy Spirit intercedes with groanings?

[foudroyant]

There's a difference between your interpretation of other people and the other people you think you are judging correctly. What you say about other people is just that, what you say. Not what they say. Learn the difference.

He insists he is a baseball player. Who is anyone else to say otherwise?

[foudroyant]

The section is not about prayer

Romans 8:26-27 are.