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Originally posted by foudroyant
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The TEXT says that the Holy Spirit intercedes with groanings.
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Really? Why doesn't it say so? Do you have some sort of golden tablet that makes it possible for you to determine that some human is praying? There is nothing in the text that says as much.
The TEXT says that the Holy Spirit intercedes with groanings.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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The word "pray" is found in Romans 8:26.Comment
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And it says we don't know what to pray for, so the Holy Spirit intercedes. And it says that the Holy Spirit does so with groanings. and that God knows the mind of the Holy Spirit. And that the Holy Spirit is acting in accord with God.Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
Where does it say that a human is praying?Last edited by tabibito; 08-20-2014, 08:10 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Already addressed in Post #860.
Your next stupid argument....Comment
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You can't answer the question, so you resort yet again to gratuitous insult. Par for the course.Originally posted by foudroyant View Post1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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The answer was already supplied in Post #860.
Since you have nothing else you simply regurgitated this same asinine argument.Comment
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This should perhaps clue you in to the fact that your opinion of prayer to Mary is in the extreme minority. Perhaps you're aware of this, which is why you seem unable to make a civil reply.Originally posted by foudroyant View PostEnter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Your contempt for scripture, declaring it asinine, is noted.Originally posted by foudroyant View Post1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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The so called answer you provided in post #860 was wrong.
Your contempt for scripture, declaring it asinine, is noted.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Your analogy assumes that the basketball player, ie, Catholics, are lying, but you have no evidence to support your accusation. You cannot prove your honesty by pointing to a single place where Catholics supposedly say Mary can search the hearts in equality with the Holy Spirit or that Mary can guide prayers according to the will of God in equality with the Holy Spirit. You say you saw them playing basketball, ie, that you seem to know their sinful and idolatrous hearts and the meaning of their silent prayers, but you obviously do not. When people do not agree with your judgmental condemnation of others and of themselves, you insult them. You can insist you are right all day long, your whole life can be one long insult. Or maybe you could try a different approach.Originally posted by foudroyant View PostLast edited by robrecht; 08-20-2014, 09:44 AM.βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃Comment
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Stick your head in a bucket of water, take three deep breathes, and then hold your breathe for three minutes. Then we will be rid of you...Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
Alternatively, read scripture and get a Christian education...Lets start with Phil 2:9-11
"Wherefore God (the Father) also hath highly exalted him (Jesus), and (God the Father has) given him (Jesus) a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
My God has been enthroned by his Father according to scripture!!!!Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
Your God (whatever fictitious obsenity you present him to be) is simply non-existent (according to scripture).
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As for Mary, the disciples or any of the saints, in my entire longish lifetime in the RCC I have never heard them described as gods (apart from the deranged pretenses of KKK type pretend protestants suffering from alcohol or drug induced delusions).
In my RCC experience, when we find ourselves at wits end, when our faith becomes so low that we cannot front up to the Father or the Son, the Spirit intervenes, who in effect, turns us to the example of the saints who underwent far worse torments than we might encounter, and by focusing on them we can draw strength. In your absolutely secular perspective (your insular atheism) you most likely cannot accept such a perspective...which is a great pity, as apparently you have never experienced a Christian perspective on life...Last edited by apostoli; 08-20-2014, 10:28 AM.Comment
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You ignored what God teaches in Romans 8:26-27.Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
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The RCC and others pray to their mythical Mary...thus the believe she is a god for every time in Scripture prayer takes place it is worship.Originally posted by apostoli View PostComment
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This is the analogy I have been talking about.Originally posted by foudroyant View Postβλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃Comment
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