Transgender CHILD confusion

[Starlight]

Couldn't be you just are ignorant of that aspect of gender confusion.

Calling it "gender confusion" seems unhelpful. The person may not be 'confused' in the least, they may well have very very firm convictions that they identify with neither gender and have different aspects of both present in them. Just because their convictions don't fit neatly into your categories doesn't make them necessarily "confused".

Imagine if I refused to accept that you were a Christian and instead insisted on just calling anyone who wasn't an atheist "religiously confused". Christians would say to me, "no, I'm not 'confused', I know what I believe, and you're being totally unreasonable to label me 'religiously confused'."

[Cow Poke]

Calling it "gender confusion" seems unhelpful.

Enabling gender confusion seem cruel.

The person may not be 'confused' in the least, they may well have very very firm convictions that they identify with neither gender and have different aspects of both present in them. Just because their convictions don't fit neatly into your categories doesn't make them necessarily "confused".

When I was a cop, I arrested Superman. He wasn't "confused" at all - he was SURE he was Superman! Sadly, about 3 weeks later he tried to fly off the top of a 10 story building and got dead. (yeah, he was confused)

Imagine if I refused to accept that you were a Christian and instead insisted on just calling anyone who wasn't an atheist "religiously confused". Christians would say to me, "no, I'm not 'confused', I know what I believe, and you're being totally unreasonable to label me 'religiously confused'."

The Bible is clear that there will be those who will not believe us, and will stand against us. My Salvation does not depend on your acceptance of who I am in Christ, nor will I attempt to legislate your acceptance of my faith.

[Papa Zoom]

A 16 year old male wants to change and shower with the girls and the Feds say he can cuz he is a she. With a peepee.

[Papa Zoom]

Calling it "gender confusion" seems unhelpful. The person may not be 'confused' in the least, they may well have very very firm convictions that they identify with neither gender and have different aspects of both present in them. Just because their convictions don't fit neatly into your categories doesn't make them necessarily "confused".

Imagine if I refused to accept that you were a Christian and instead insisted on just calling anyone who wasn't an atheist "religiously confused". Christians would say to me, "no, I'm not 'confused', I know what I believe, and you're being totally unreasonable to label me 'religiously confused'."

Gender dysphoria
It's what many people call it. Perhaps you prefer the term disorder.


Gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder (GID) is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (distress) with the sex and gender they were assigned at birth. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones.

[Papa Zoom]

Enabling gender confusion seem cruel.

Exactly

[Starlight]

Enabling gender confusion seem cruel.

Creating it, where none previously existed, seems cruel. But if it exists, then marginalizing the person with the problem, refusing to accept them, and forcing them to conform to a gender that they don't identify with, seems cruel.

A 16 year old male wants to change and shower with the girls and the Feds say he can cuz he is a she.

To that I'd just say "provide a doctors certificate to show you're actually transgender and not just randomly asking to be let in the girl's bathroom, and use individual shower cubicles not group showers so that everyone doesn't freak out". Doesn't seem like an overly big deal.

[Cow Poke]

Creating it, where none previously existed, seems cruel.

Well, that's how them liberals are! They always have to create some cause to champion!

But if it exists, then marginalizing the person with the problem, refusing to accept them, and forcing them to conform to a gender that they don't identify with, seems cruel.

Yeah, and if a kid thinks he's a puppy, it would be cruel not to let him pee on the teacher's desk.

To that I'd just say "provide a doctors certificate to show you're actually transgender and not just randomly asking to be let in the girl's bathroom, and use individual shower cubicles not group showers so that everyone doesn't freak out". Doesn't seem like an overly big deal.

Yeah, like there's not a bunch of quack doctors who would certify that little Clovis Ledbetter really believed he was a logging truck.

Starlight, you don't believe all this crap any more than I do.

[Juvenal]

This boy is a great kid. We're supposed to call him a she. I try to use his name which can be both for male and female (like Sam short for Samantha) or Dani instead of Danny. It's awkward.

I've had two transgender students myself, and there were no "bathroom issues," but I can sympathize with the awkwardness. Even in my case, with adult students, and myself being naturally accepting, it's not something you can sit down and discuss with them, and without that, it's hard to come to an understanding. It's not like gays, mostly because there are so many more gays that you can deal with them as part of a community. Trans students don't seem to show up more than one at a time.

I can't imagine how hard it would be to deal with the issue with a second-grader. Then again, I'd find it hard to talk about any adult issue with a second-grader.

[Carrikature]

If you know the child is biologically female, then checking the box "male" is a lie. Which is a sin. Get some standards, already.

If only biological sex were so black and white. Too bad it's not.

Learn some science already.



And let's not pretend as if you, or any other Christian (human), doesn't lie. Most of us try to avoid it as often as possible. Few of us succeed 100%.

[Starlight]

Even in my case, with adult students, and myself being naturally accepting, it's not something you can sit down and discuss with them, and without that, it's hard to come to an understanding.

I don't understand why not...?
I've never myself talked to anyone who was transgender, but I don't understand why they wouldn't be amenable to open-ended non-judgmental questions. I imagine you'd just have to make clear that your open-mindedness was genuine, as they probably get a fair few people who interrogate them with a view to 'fixing' them. I would have thought that for most transgender people, their gender is something they think about often and so they might well be happy to share some of their thoughts with an open-minded and interested person.

[One Bad Pig]

If only biological sex were so black and white. Too bad it's not.

Learn some science already.

It is nearly always black and white. And "transgender" people do not typically fall into a gray area.

And let's not pretend as if you, or any other Christian (human), doesn't lie. Most of us try to avoid it as often as possible. Few of us succeed 100%.

Does that make it right?

[Carrikature]

It is nearly always black and white. And "transgender" people do not typically fall into a gray area.

"Nearly always" and "typically" prevents you, me, or anyone here from saying it's not happening in this case. You know that as well as I do or you wouldn't be using those qualifiers.

Does that make it right?

Did I say it did? No. You don't actually know my standards, not that it stops you from making all sorts of assumptions about it.

Let's be real, no one would be filing a lawsuit because they were asked to lie (even if that's what happened). This is all a giant red herring, and we both know it.

[Cow Poke]

And let's not pretend as if you, or any other Christian (human), doesn't lie. Most of us try to avoid it as often as possible. Few of us succeed 100%.

I have never told a lie in my entire whole life.



(fingers crossed behind back)

[Carrikature]

I have never told a lie in my entire whole life.



(fingers crossed behind back)

I frequently start comments in chat with 'to be honest'. I've been asked if that means I'm lying the rest of the time.




(I'm not.)

[Cow Poke]

I frequently start comments in chat with 'to be honest'. I've been asked if that means I'm lying the rest of the time.




(I'm not.)

I get a kick when somebody asks, "do you want the honest truth?"

No, LIE to me!!!!