New Undercover Video of Planned Parenthood

[Irate Canadian]

This baby is 24 weeks old. So he/she should still be inside of mom. If there, he/she is a fetus. That makes no sense to me. We all know what's growing inside a mother womb. It's her baby. That's how everyone defines it. The other terms used simply designate a particular point of development. When a woman has a miscarriage, she talks about losing the baby. I have never once heard a woman talk about her zygote or her fetus. It's always about a baby.

The truth is, abortion rights advocates use whatever tactics will work to desensitize the public about abortion. So according to them it can't be a baby and it can't be a person. There are still some here that argue the developing baby isn't a human being!

Remember back when we were all told it was just a blob of cells? I know women who are told this today. Women are not given the full story about what it is they are aborting.

People can argue all day long on what to call the unborn. Without any doubt, a new and unique human being comes into existence at the moment of conception. This is a fact of science. Period. It seems to me that fact alone should be enough to know that it's immoral to kill the unborn.

I know, right.
To most people:
unwanted child = fetus
wanted child = baby

[Papa Zoom]

I know, right.
To most people:
unwanted child = fetus
wanted child = baby

Also, it's really sad that women really don't have all choices presented to them. There are plenty of organizations to help women should they decide to keep the baby.

[Mountain Man]

I see there are all kinds of states starting investigations into PP because of these videos. One I heard on the radio this morning (sorry, didn't catch where she was from) stated that PP was definitely into illegal activities.

The great state of Ohio where I live is currently considering bipartisan legislation to defund Planned Parenthood. Actually, it was a Democrat who got the ball rolling. Proof that there is a major disconnect between state and national politics.

[Mountain Man]

Because the term baby infers personhood onto the fetus.

Yes, which is why I avoid the entire murky and self-serving issue of "personhood" and focus on simple, biological and philosphical facts, which are these:

1) At the moment of conception, a new organism is created which meets even the strictest biological definition of life.
2) This life has human DNA.
3) This life is innocent since it is guilty of no wrong doing.
4) Innocent human life deserves every protection under the law.

Therefore, at the moment of conception, an innocent human life is created and as such deserves every legal protection afforded any other innocent human life.

[Papa Zoom]

Yes, which is why I avoid the entire murky and self-serving issue of "personhood" and focus on simple, biological and philosphical facts, which are these:

1) At the moment of conception, a new organism is created which meets even the strictest biological definition of life.
2) This life has human DNA.
3) This life is innocent since it is guilty of no wrong doing.
4) Innocent human life deserves every protection under the law.

Therefore, at the moment of conception, an innocent human life is created and as such deserves every legal protection afforded any other innocent human life.

Well said. Worth a repeat. You've articulated the entire issue in a nutshell.

[Tassman]

I understand a abortion if the mother in terms of rape and incest, but what about when it is done for convenience?

The fetus is a potential human life and and therefore may not be terminated casually for any reason. But a fetus does not have as much value as a human life in existence, according to Jewish Law (and thus Christian Law by derivation), so the welfare of the mother is the prime consideration.

Also, it's really sad that women really don't have all choices presented to them. There are plenty of organizations to help women should they decide to keep the baby.

Perhaps, but your use of the word "choice" is the key. Ultimately it's the woman's choice and she needs to be helped to make it responsibly...and her responsible choice may well be to terminate the pregnancy in some instances.

[Darth Executor]

The fetus is a potential human life and and therefore may not be terminated casually for any reason. But a fetus does not have as much value as a human life in existence, according to Jewish Law (and thus Christian Law by derivation), so the welfare of the mother is the prime consideration.

I already humiliated you on this stupid crap already, why are you repeating it?

[Tassman]

I already humiliated you on this stupid crap already, why are you repeating it?

You delude yourself.

[Leonhard]

At the end of the day I'm not sure these videos and the results will be enough to defund Planned Parenthood. It depends on how much of this is going on. If its just a few isolated instances, or doesn't amount to a large enough scandale, they might just end up taking a small PR hit and have to expend some efforts doing reperations and changing policies.

I'm willing to go for anything to annoy and halt them.

[Jaecp]

Hey Leonhard, did you ever see/respond to the response I made at your behest? I know a thread got merged into this one and their was a flurry of posting so it might have gotten lost in the shuffle, or your reply might have, I honestly have no idea.

At the end of the day I'm not sure these videos and the results will be enough to defund Planned Parenthood. It depends on how much of this is going on. If its just a few isolated instances, or doesn't amount to a large enough scandale, they might just end up taking a small PR hit and have to expend some efforts doing reperations and changing policies.

I'm willing to go for anything to annoy and halt them.

It won't be. The videos I've seen so far, haven't bothered with video number 3 yet, follow the same kind of pattern that the Acorn videos did. There was a big fuss made, but ultimately there was no actual evidence of wrongdoing. Acorn got closed down, but it suffered the first attack like this. Now, years after that, this kind of smoke and mirror will do little more than rally the right wing base for awhile. There is no proof of wrong doing. Nucatola was cleary giving estimates. Gatter was more interested in nerding out over medical procedures and random old lady hobbies than the money discussion. Both of whom repeatedly rebuffed the idea of profiting from tissue samples as well as changing procedures to get a more intact sample. Whoever this 3rd video is about, from what little quotes I've seen, is more of the same. Someone saying something that, when chopped up, might sound kind of weird until we've heard the entire story.

Look, I get it. You don't like abortion. None of you, even Sam, likes abortion. This kind of media blitz using non-scandals though only hurts your own causes in the end. If you want to fight abortion, do as Sam proposed and support sex ed classes and condoms and the like. Stuff like CMP/Live Action is not the way to go.

[JonathanL]

non-scandals

It's only a non-scandal if you're morally bankrupt.

[kiwimac]

It's only a non-scandal if you're morally bankrupt.

IN your opinion.

[Jaecp]

It's only a non-scandal if you're morally bankrupt.

This is dumb.

I'm not saying it's a non-scandal because I'm ok with the sale of human organs for profit. I'm saying its not a scandal because I don't believe that's whats going on here.

[kiwimac]

The dictionary?

I think not.

[Jude]

This is dumb.

I'm not saying it's a non-scandal because I'm ok with the sale of human organs for profit. I'm saying its not a scandal because I don't believe that's whats going on here.

Yes. Time and investigation will hopefully tell the true tale. The way it at least looks though to this point is abhorrent to me. I heard from the head of Live Action on the TV last night to expect a dozen or so videos. I would think that there would be a strategy involved in the release of these so that it could be the case that the worst is yet to come. Guess we will find out.