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  • Psychic Missile
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    Originally posted by Papa Zoom View Post
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    We have strayed far off topic. But...Republicans don't think you can get rich, but that with hard work you can make a decent living. I know a lady, 4 kids, different dads, could work but she doesn't, the fathers are bums, she gets money from the State. So she gets money for being irresponsible. Not only that, she got ten thousand dollars for her earned income credit last year. She lives with her mom and dad who help with the kids. This sort of thing happens all over. And I know this lady personally. I'm well aware of her situation. Republicans want to cut services for irresponsible people who do nothing.
    As for the Prez, he's a collectivist. He actually believes that If you own a business, you are obligated to pay the State back and redistribute the wealth. And where does a lot of that money go? Not to our vets. They go to people like the lady I described. Able to work but are lazy and irresponsible and we, the money makers of America, are paying for her to have kids from different men and live with her parents paying nothing but still she gets a monthly check and a huge tax return even though she pays zero taxes. Liberal logic at its best.
    I agree we are off topic, and if you want to make a new thread, I will reply to you there. Otherwise, I don't wish to derail any further.

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  • Sea of red
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    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
    I am in the process of moving out the totally unrelated posts to http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...d-video-thread. Please if you are not directly addressing the PP videos go elsewhere.
    I'm done with my end anyways so go for it.

    Sorry for the derail on my end.

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  • Jaecp
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    And then they take great effort to misrepresent what was being accused.



    Perhaps not, but misrepresenting what is being accused is pathetic.



    No you don't. You have CMP saying that abortion doctors are changing their procedure (meaning the steps that are taken in that particular procedure, which is illegal) when they extract a killed fetus in order to ensure that the parts desired are intact. You then have Media Matters saying that DMP is accusing them of changing the actual procedure itself (meaning the METHOD of extraction), which is a complete and total lie.
    Make a case for that then by pointing at the full transcript, because we both know that this is too fine a distinction to parse solely from your recollection skewed by the hack job of a first video

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  • Jedidiah
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    I am in the process of moving out the totally unrelated posts to http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...d-video-thread. Please if you are not directly addressing the PP videos go elsewhere.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
    Regarding the Media Matters link,

    What's in the link, what matters, is the part where they reconstruct the original order of what was said, with the cut stuff put back in.
    And then they take great effort to misrepresent what was being accused.

    How partisan they are doesn't matter for a case like this.
    Perhaps not, but misrepresenting what is being accused is pathetic.

    It's not like quoting from a transcript and bolding stuff leaves much room for spin. You can make up your own mind on the matter, although, of course, but looking at the transcripts we have, yet again, a case of CMP deceptively editing a video and then the full story being rather mundane.
    No you don't. You have CMP saying that abortion doctors are changing their procedure (meaning the steps that are taken in that particular procedure, which is illegal) when they extract a killed fetus in order to ensure that the parts desired are intact. You then have Media Matters saying that DMP is accusing them of changing the actual procedure itself (meaning the METHOD of extraction), which is a complete and total lie.

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  • Jaecp
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    Regarding the Media Matters link,

    What's in the link, what matters, is the part where they reconstruct the original order of what was said, with the cut stuff put back in. How partisan they are doesn't matter for a case like this. It's not like quoting from a transcript and bolding stuff leaves much room for spin. You can make up your own mind on the matter, although, of course, but looking at the transcripts we have, yet again, a case of CMP deceptively editing a video and then the full story being rather mundane.

    I wonder if video six will be the same way? *yawn*

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  • Psychic Missile
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    Originally posted by Papa Zoom View Post
    I've seen all that and seen his words in context. So what are the rest of us missing? I agree with everything said in the video you just posted. Obama is a collectivist. Where are we all going wrong?
    His speech was in regard to economic policy. The tax cuts for the wealthy and cutting of social programs advocated by the Republicans are detrimental to the economy and are a hypocritical biting of the hand that feeds you. Businesses succeed because of the efforts of multiple parties, not the sole effort of an entrepreneur or CEO. Social programs and the spending of taxes on things like roads and schools allow for companies to exist at all, let alone prosper. Obama even gave a summary within his own speech: "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

    The Republican party seized on this out of context quote because it allows them to swindle voters who just want their fears and opinions validated and aren't interested in fact-checking or a nuanced viewpoint. Republicans want to push the idea that if you work hard, you can become rich. As long as conservatives believe that, they will vote to benefit the rich at their own expense, because they imagine that one day they too will benefit from pro-wealthy, anti-poor policy.

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  • Jaecp
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    Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
    in other words Media Matters whom Jaecp is taking his information from is being dishonest about what the real accusation is so they don't have to deal with the fact that the law is indeed being broken by the changing of the procedure used depending on which parts are needed and can be sold which is against the law.
    Are they though?

    How exactly are they?

    Mostly, MM is taking the claims as made inn the shot video and putting the context back in, bolding stuff, and demonstrating how the claims of impropriety aren't.

    Same as the last four vids

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  • RumTumTugger
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    I think MM is obfuscating what the accusations are, in relation to how PP alters their procedures to ensure the fetus is intact when extracted. They are taking the video's explanation that a different procedure is not used wrong. By procedure, the video means that it isn't switched from D&E to a chemical procedure. Surprise that MM would rush to the defense with strawmen...
    in other words Media Matters whom Jaecp is taking his information from is being dishonest about what the real accusation is so they don't have to deal with the fact that the law is indeed being broken by the changing of the procedure used depending on which parts are needed and can be sold which is against the law.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    I think MM is obfuscating...
    That threw me for a minute. I thought, at first, you were slamming Mountain Man.... you mean Media Matters!

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
    Or I didn't see the post till now? It's right above another reply of mine to someone else. Am I really your sole source for CMPs videos being nonsense? Google up existing analysis

    Either way, that's not what was actually happening. Four of the bigger instances are detailed at http://mediamatters.org/research/201...o-attem/204766

    Feel free to look that over. I can play with you guys more after work tonight, but in the meantime, looks like CMP is being all lying and manipulative again. Surprise surprise.
    I think MM is obfuscating what the accusations are, in relation to how PP alters their procedures to ensure the fetus is intact when extracted. They are taking the video's explanation that a different procedure is not used wrong. By procedure, the video means that it isn't switched from D&E to a chemical procedure. Surprise that MM would rush to the defense with strawmen...

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  • Jaecp
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    Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
    The silence from Jaecp about this is deafening isn't' it. I wonder why could it be because he knows that yes they were speaking of altering the abortion method and it is illegal and he does not want to admit he was wrong?
    Or I didn't see the post till now? It's right above another reply of mine to someone else. Am I really your sole source for CMPs videos being nonsense? Google up existing analysis

    Either way, that's not what was actually happening. Four of the bigger instances are detailed at http://mediamatters.org/research/201...o-attem/204766

    Feel free to look that over. I can play with you guys more after work tonight, but in the meantime, looks like CMP is being all lying and manipulative again. Surprise surprise.

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  • RumTumTugger
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Jaecp were they speaking of altering the abortion procedure to get intact babies or better intact baby parts? Yes or no. And is that illegal? Yes or no.
    The silence from Jaecp about this is deafening isn't' it. I wonder why could it be because he knows that yes they were speaking of altering the abortion method and it is illegal and he does not want to admit he was wrong?
    Last edited by RumTumTugger; 08-06-2015, 11:21 AM.

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  • seanD
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    Cnn reporter questions whether David Daleiden is or has ties to violent extremists. Violent extremist. Violent extremist lately has become an offshoot of its parent term "terrorist." That's a pretty strong accusation...

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
    Or, you know, I'm not so dead set against PP that I'll see things that don't exist.

    Every full video has completely exonerated them of the claims made by the short ones. That's why this is getting boring. Videos 6, 7, and 8 will be the same way.
    With the moron in those asking for a car?

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