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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostNo, it's not about that. It's about losers who feel the need to blame their own failures or bad luck on someone else looking with envy on people who did well and spitefully trying to ruin them. People who aren't losers or who don't suffer from severe envy don't care if successful people brag about their success or not. There isn't a single person on this planet crying about white privilege who isn't either an envy ridden loser or a grifter.
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostIt's not that you should feel bad for not being a loser. It's that you shouldn't boast too much about "being a winner."
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Originally posted by Sam View PostThe black population, when one controls for poverty, is no more probe to criminality than the general population.
Nevermind that "controlling for poverty" is begging the question. Correlation does not equal causation.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostWhat is nonsense about it? Being born into the west, into the ethnicity and gender at am puts me at a highly advantaged position compared to others. I've been aware of this since I was a little kid.
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostThere are more black fathers living with their children than without, and of the latter group, a higher percentage still interacts with them instead of abandoning them. None of this seems to bode with hyperbolic claims about the destruction of the black family, or that "there is something seriously wrong with that culture."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/us...bama.html?_r=0
BTW - where in the study did it say that there are more black men living with there children than not - I did not see that.Last edited by seer; 07-14-2015, 07:24 AM.
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There are more black fathers living with their children than without, and of the latter group, a higher percentage still interacts with them instead of abandoning them. None of this seems to bode with hyperbolic claims about the destruction of the black family, or that "there is something seriously wrong with that culture."
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostSo who's not to say that the anecdotes there are wrong and the study is right? It seems like you're just cherrypicking what you do like and dismissing what you don't.
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or instance, among fathers who lived with young children, 70% of black dads said they bathed, diapered or dressed those kids every day, compared with 60% of white fathers and 45% of Latino fathers, according to a report released Friday by the National Center for Health Statistics.
The report leaves it unclear if black fathers, on the whole, are more involved than other dads. Although the survey showed that black fathers not living at home are as involved with their children as fathers of other races in similar situations, the higher percentage of black dads absent from the home could drag down the average involvement for all black fathers, other researchers pointed out.
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Originally posted by Kristian Joensen View PostIt comes to a conclusion that Seer doesn't like.
Yes, There's a Black Fatherhood Crisis
By Robert VerBruggen
ThinkProgress has a post -- "The Myth of the Absent Black Father" -- claiming that the crisis is a "racially-biased" fiction. This Los Angeles Times chart is provided as evidence:
The problem, of course, is the "in similar living situations." When people speak of "father absence," they are mainly referring to the absence of fathers from the home -- that is, father absence is a "living situation." The assertion here is that, once you disaggregate by father absence, there's no racial gap in father absence.
The piece concedes that "black fathers are more likely to live separately from their children" but claims that "many of them remain just as involved in their kids' lives." "Many" is a versatile word, but nonetheless the supporting evidence is rather weak: For example, 67 percent of black fathers who don't live with their kids, and 59 percent of white fathers in the same situation, see their kids at least once a month. Much stronger evidence on the importance of living with one's kids can be found in the chart above: There is no comparison between resident dads and nonresident dads -- of any race -- on even one of the metrics.
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/...risis_805.html
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Originally posted by seer View Post
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostWhat specifically is wrong with this study? Any issues with the methodology?
Because I read things like this:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...-People/page11
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Even President Obama has opined on this national conversation, creating the Fatherhood and Mentoring Initiative and making responsible fatherhood one of the key priorities of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. .
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostWhat specifically is wrong with this study? Any issues with the methodology?
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Originally posted by seer View PostOh please, I don't for a minute believe that black men interact with their kids more that Whites or Hispanics. Or perhaps they have higher unemployment rates so are just home more.Last edited by KingsGambit; 07-13-2015, 04:10 PM.
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