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Are Blueprints for 3-D Printed Guns Free Speech?
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostHave at it, you legalese-speakers.
Not that doing so will really help ... if the government can't shut down piracy of new movies, it will have a difficult time keeping these kinds of files even from dumb and curious kids, let alone the folks with keen interest in untraceable weaponry."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostI imagine that even a very conservative Supreme Court would find that the government has a clearly compelling interest in preventing the printing of untraceable guns, overriding a free speech defense.
Interestingly enough, according to the article the blueprints are not banned on the 'compelling interest' grounds, at least in terms of domestic threats to peace:
In its 2013 letter to Defense Distributed, the DDTC cited a long-controversial set of regulations known as the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), which controls whether and how Americans can sell weapons beyond U.S. borders. By merely posting a 3-D-printable file to a website, in other words, the DDTC claimed Defense Distributed had potentially violated arms export controls—just as if it had shipped a crate of AR-15s to, say, Mexico.
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Originally posted by Sam View PostI imagine that even a very conservative Supreme Court would find that the government has a clearly compelling interest in preventing the printing of untraceable guns, overriding a free speech defense. I'd say that the blueprints or code to manufacture such weapons is undoubtedly speech but it's speech that almost certainly needs to be curtailed.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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I don't know if it's free speech, but it certainly shouldn't be regulated.Last edited by Jesse; 05-07-2015, 04:10 PM."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Sam View PostI imagine that even a very conservative Supreme Court would find that the government has a clearly compelling interest in preventing the printing of untraceable guns, overriding a free speech defense. I'd say that the blueprints or code to manufacture such weapons is undoubtedly speech but it's speech that almost certainly needs to be curtailed.
Not that doing so will really help ... if the government can't shut down piracy of new movies, it will have a difficult time keeping these kinds of files even from dumb and curious kids, let alone the folks with keen interest in untraceable weaponry.
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Originally posted by Jesse View PostI don't know if it's free speech, but it certainly shouldn't be regulated.
Should the government not regulate such things because of the Right to bear arms? How would that fit with the fact that gun dales are already regulated and there certainly exists compelling reasons for such regulation?
Cynically speaking, I doubt this gets any real work done until the first time an officer is killed with one of these things and the murderer can't be found. Hopefully, such a tragedy would finally spur desicive action."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostSounds about right.
Interestingly enough, according to the article the blueprints are not banned on the 'compelling interest' grounds, at least in terms of domestic threats to peace:
It would appear that this ad hoc measure can't hold and that new legislation will have to be crafted, which will be interesting since I gather that personal manufacture of some types of firearms isn't illegal under current law."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostParce que?
Should the government not regulate such things because of the Right to bear arms? How would that fit with the fact that gun dales are already regulated and there certainly exists compelling reasons for such regulation?
Cynically speaking, I doubt this gets any real work done until the first time an officer is killed with one of these things and the murderer can't be found. Hopefully, such a tragedy would finally spur desicive action.
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Originally posted by Sam View PostParce que?
Should the government not regulate such things because of the Right to bear arms? How would that fit with the fact that gun dales are already regulated and there certainly exists compelling reasons for such regulation?
Cynically speaking, I doubt this gets any real work done until the first time an officer is killed with one of these things and the murderer can't be found. Hopefully, such a tragedy would finally spur desicive action.Last edited by Jesse; 05-08-2015, 02:37 AM."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Jesse View PostNo, I wasn't speaking of the "Right to bear arms". I am speaking specifically towards the idea that every new technology must be regulated because it "looks" scary. If you decide to look closer into this, you will see these "guns" don't work. That is because the plastic that has to be used in 3D printers is too pliable to be used in a real firearm. You can't even create a good knife with one of these. Sensationalism aside, 3D printing will be good for small projects and probably nothing more.
Last edited by Paprika; 05-08-2015, 02:41 AM.
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post3D-printed metal guns are a thing."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Jesse View PostNice looking prop. I am still not convinced. I would like to see them show a demonstration of this gun. I remember the last time they tried a demo of one of their guns, it didn't work out for them...
Also, this:
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post
Here is a bit of a fly in the ointment though, the 3D printer itself costs between $500,000 and $1 million. Obviously not something you can just whip up in your garage. Again, I find this more sensationalism than anything else.Last edited by Jesse; 05-08-2015, 03:14 AM."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Jesse View PostHere is a bit of a fly in the ointment though, the 3D printer itself costs between $500,000 and $1 million. Obviously not something you can just whip up in your garage. Again, I find this more sensationalism than anything else.
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