Get Rid Of The Christians....

[Mountain Man]

Maybe we have a problem with semantics. You're referring to secularism as a philosophy. I'm referring to it as a policy. I'm not sure what you think a philosophy of secularism entails.

Perhaps you could explain the distinction.

[Yttrium]

Perhaps you could explain the distinction.

I'd rather not continue with a semantics argument. I'll just say that if you can get a majority of Americans to throw out separation of church and state, I'll go along with it. I don't see that happening, since it's such a popular policy... among Christians in the US.

[Paprika]

As such, unless it can be given a proper definition

The one who has faith in Jesus the Messiah.

and unless it can be shown that the people under discussion do not actually fit that definition, I tend to dismiss claims that someone is "no true Christian."

I merely state that 'I wouldn't think that there are many Christian amongst the power brokers', if you disagree it hardly matters to me.

[Cerebrum123]

The one who has faith in Jesus the Messiah.

Worded that way you would have to count Muslims, Mormons, and JW's. You need to have a specific definition of what being Messiah actually entails, as well as what "faith in" entails.

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Not here to argue about that.

[Paprika]

Worded that way you would have to count Muslims, Mormons, and JW's. You need to have a specific definition of what being Messiah actually entails, as well as what "faith in" entails.

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I don't really care if someone who believes this but also holds highly unorthodox beliefs might still be saved - it's certainly not my business.

[JonathanL]

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I don't really care if someone who believes this but also holds highly unorthodox beliefs might still be saved - it's certainly not my business.

Jesus is Lord, that is, Jesus is YHWH. Which would rule out atleast Muslims and JW's.

[Paprika]

Jesus is Lord, that is, Jesus is YHWH. Which would rule out atleast Muslims and JW's.

Right. If it lets in Mormons (whom some of the Yankees Christians are frankly obsessed over) it hardly matters to me.

[DLAbaoaqu]

They expected exactly the same thing that militant gays expect when they go to a Christian business owner and ask him to participate in a gay wedding. Christians are being specifically targeted and silenced.

That's why Christians need to fight back.

[Cerebrum123]

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I don't really care if someone who believes this but also holds highly unorthodox beliefs might still be saved - it's certainly not my business.

Better.