"Five Israeli talking points, debunked".... Interesting

[Spartacus]

One side wants 100% of the Jews dead. Destroyed. Killed. Wiped off the face of the earth. Men, women, children, civilians, soldiers, politicians, babies....

What is the correct proportional percentage of Jews that should be killed?

It's not about killing more Israelis. It's about the fact that the Israelis are employing tactics that are killing way more Palestinian civilians than can possibly be warranted by the threat rocket attacks pose to Israeli civilians.

[Spartacus]

A few years ago a couple of school yard bullies decided to film the final in a series of attacks on their favourite victim. One filmed it, the other would hit or kick him walk back a bit, then return to make another strike. Repeatedly. (A lawyer counted the number of assault offences, there were nine.) In the end, during the final attack, the victim had enough, hoisted his assailant in the air to shoulder height and threw him to the ground. He landed on his back. All of it was on mobile phone video. Guess who got expelled? And the school's excuse - the lad was consistently involved in fights in the school. The video gave perfect evidence for why he was always getting in fights.

There are parallels with the constant attacks on Israel, and the world's response to her current retaliation.

This isn't Israel's first retaliation. They've been doing this for about 50 years now. It's a bit more like if every time the student got punched, they charged headlong through a crowd of 5-year-olds to throw their assailant headlong out a window.

[tabibito]

It's not about killing more Israelis. It's about the fact that the Israelis are employing tactics that are killing way more Palestinian civilians than can possibly be warranted by the threat rocket attacks pose to Israeli civilians.

Inevitable. Palestinians deliberately put their civilians in harms way. Primary School children even get a field trip to gather around a rocket launcher and watch a rocket launch, and they're encouraged to chant wonderful things while it is done.

[Cow Poke]

It's not about killing more Israelis. It's about the fact that the Israelis are employing tactics that are killing way more Palestinian civilians than can possibly be warranted by the threat rocket attacks pose to Israeli civilians.

So, Israel should wait til one of those rockets hits a day care or hospital, perhaps?

[Spartacus]

So, Israel should wait til one of those rockets hits a day care or hospital, perhaps?

Even setting aside the effectiveness of the Iron Dome rocket defense system and the ineffectiveness of Hamas' rockets, Israel has a sophisticated early warning system.

[tabibito]

This isn't Israel's first retaliation. They've been doing this for about 50 years now. It's a bit more like if every time the student got punched, they charged headlong through a crowd of 5-year-olds to throw their assailant headlong out a window.

And Israel had demonstrably accepted any and all offers of peace, and restored annexed lands when that offer has been made. Those actions show that Israel doesn't have an agenda to exterminate to the last man woman and child, their assailants. By contrast, their assailants do have a publicly (and proudly at that) stated aim of exterminating Israel to the last man, woman, and child.

Nor are Israel's assailants content to restrict their genocidal policies to Jews. In the past year, more than a million Christians have been killed, and Christian properties destroyed. How many Buddhists and Buddhist temples have suffered the same fate is unknown. The Buddhists fight back, the Christians mostly up stakes and move out.

In the late 1930's, Nazi's painted a yellow six pointed star on the houses of Jews. In the 2010's Hamas and Hezbollah et al terrorists paint a yellow "noon" (Arabic "N" - signifying "Nazarene") on the houses of Christians. In Israel, Muslims for the most part get to live in peace, as also in most Christian dominated countries.

[Cow Poke]

Even setting aside the effectiveness of the Iron Dome rocket defense system and the ineffectiveness of Hamas' rockets, Israel has a sophisticated early warning system.

Great! And a FAR more efficient military!

Tell me this -- if Hamas had more accurate weapons systems, and a more efficient military, do you have any doubt whatsoever that they would kill far more Jews than they are killing now?

[tabibito]

And it wasn't the rockets that triggered this latest round of Israeli retaliation, it was tunnels.

[Cow Poke]

And it wasn't the rockets that triggered this latest round of Israeli retaliation, it was tunnels.

[tabibito]

Tell me this -- if Hamas had more accurate weapons systems, and a more efficient military, do you have any doubt whatsoever that they would kill far more Jews than they are killing now?

And with foreign aid (last year, $400 000 000 from America alone) being diverted in large part to munitions acquisition, improved weaponry is guaranteed to be deployed.

[Cow Poke]

And with foreign aid (last year, $400 000 000 from OBAMA alone) being diverted in large part to munitions acquisition, improved weaponry is guaranteed to be deployed.

fify

[tabibito]

[Spartacus]

Great! And a FAR more efficient military!

Tell me this -- if Hamas had more accurate weapons systems, and a more efficient military, do you have any doubt whatsoever that they would kill far more Jews than they are killing now?

The Israelis are using military force disproportionate to the threat to their security and to the lives of their own citizens. It doesn't matter how terrible or even omnicidal their opponents would be if they had similar resources at their disposal. The simple fact is that Israel is gratuitously murdering noncombatants.

[Spartacus]

Nor are Israel's assailants content to restrict their genocidal policies to Jews. In the past year, more than a million Christians have been killed, and Christian properties destroyed. How many Buddhists and Buddhist temples have suffered the same fate is unknown. The Buddhists fight back, the Christians mostly up stakes and move out.

In the late 1930's, Nazi's painted a yellow six pointed star on the houses of Jews. In the 2010's Hamas and Hezbollah et al terrorists paint a yellow "noon" (Arabic "N" - signifying "Nazarene") on the houses of Christians. In Israel, Muslims for the most part get to live in peace, as also in most Christian dominated countries.

This is a blatant falsehood. Hamas and Hezbollah are not ISIS. The "N" bit is ISIS... besides, all the pictures I've seen are of red paint.

[Jedidiah]

Inflicting hundreds of civilian deaths and thousands of injuries in response to... how many Israeli civilian deaths, exactly? Wikipedia says one death, 16 injuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palesti..._rockets_fired

Looking at the proportions, it seems as though an Israeli civilian is worth somewhere between 10 and 100 Palestinians. That's not how proportionality works.

You're proceeding from the assumption that Israel is conducting these operations ethically rather than concluding it based on the evidence.

The number of deaths you are comparing are the deaths since the Israelis had enough vs the number of deaths before the sweep started. The terrorists are dropping thousands of rockets on Israel. At some point it had to be dealt with. If this was anyone but Israel no one would have any complaints. The injuries and fatalities since the sweep began are purely because the terrorists have used supposed civilians as shields. Warnings are given and people choose to stay or are forced to stay. Those deaths are on the terrorists not the Israelis.

The "evidence" you are using is bogus.