American Christianity�s White-Supremacy Problem

[mikewhitney]

The funny thing about this thread is the focus on the hypothetical media-generated concept of white supremacy in America. But isn't the Chinese Asian supremacy the real issue in this world. Go to China and see how they treat you? You will realize the white guys (and Black guys and Hispanics) are treated as minorities. This is a bigger problem due to the shear number of Chinese in the world.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Yet by 1938 that Nazi party won overwhelmingly, and you all knew who the Nazis were by then. 44,451,092 voted for the Nazis to take over the Reichstag and only 443,023 were against. So I will ask again, why do you keep pointing to our sins while trying to justify yours with the above pablum?

The wiki article you cite refers to the plebiscite in April 1938 over the annexation of Austria that had taken place a month earlier in March. The entire thing was a publicity stunt for the rest of the world and there was only one party to vote for.

As ever the entire plebiscite was conducted with the usual Nazi intimidation as William Schirer recorded in his memoir of living in Hither's Germany, The Nightmare Years

"Greater German Reich", as Hitler now called it.

By 1938 Germany [and Austria] were under a brutal dictatorship and it took a great deal of bravery to resist that, particularly as reprisals from the regime would [and did] include family members. That so many did resist is testimony to their bravery.

So, given the situation prevailing in Germany at the time, let me ask you a personal question would you have risked your own life and that of your family in an attempt against such a regime?

Or would you have done what so many millions clearly did and kept your head down while hoping for better times?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I was referring to you and your attempts to deny blood libel. I have no clue who you name nor do I really care. I have better things to do than chase your rabbit holes.

Your reply quoted my sentence that contained the reference to Cohn-Sherbok. That you [to quote a line] "want to backpedal now does not change it".

To quote another line "I understand you are desperately attempting to handwave away" your faux pas but no rational individual quotes a sentence that their interlocutor has written and then tries to pretend that the comment they quoted had nothing to do with their reply to it.

[Gondwanaland]

It would appear that you do not care for the truth. Which is evident on this thread for any one to read. All they need to do is go page 18 and read the two following posts.


At post #172 I a post that contained this advice:



In reply to that precise sentence at post #179 you wrote:



As no other person was mentioned in my reply at post #172, who exactly were these "anti-semites" to which you referred and for whom you alleged I was carrying "water for"?

Or was there some imaginary character in your head?

I was referring to you and your attempts to deny blood libel. I have no clue who you name nor do I really care. I have better things to do than chase your rabbit holes.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

And now she's telling porkies again

It would appear that you do not care for the truth. Which is evident on this thread for any one to read. All they need to do is go page 18 and read the two following posts.


At post #172 I a post that contained this advice:

I suggest you do some serious background reading on this topic to inform yourself. You could start with Dan Cohn-Sherbok's The Crucified Jew.

In reply to that precise sentence at post #179 you wrote:

That's nice, but does not change that it is literally blood libel. Not surprised to see you carry water for anti-semites though.

As no other person was mentioned in my reply at post #172, who exactly were these "anti-semites" to which you referred and for whom you alleged I was carrying "water for"?

Or was there some imaginary character in your head?

[seer]

Denial is always one way of dealing with uncomfortable realities.

Pure BS...

[oxmixmudd]

First, I never condemned peaceful protests. Only riots and looting. And yes, I do expect black folks to be morally responsible. Black men do need to care for their own children, but that is an individual choice. And I never said that Black people didn't have a hard time in this country - especially in the past.



That makes no sense, perhaps I just don't want to hang around such guys. I'm am not responsible for their choices, nor do I feel responsible.

Denial is always one way of dealing with uncomfortable realities.

[seer]

the reality is you do believe in collective responsibility seer, unless you are part of that collective. I here reference your willingness to condemn all protest on behalf of those that turn the peaceful events into riots or near riots after dark. And to your willingness to blame all or the majority of racial inequities on black culture.

First, I never condemned peaceful protests. Only riots and looting. And yes, I do expect black folks to be morally responsible. Black men do need to care for their own children, but that is an individual choice. And I never said that Black people didn't have a hard time in this country - especially in the past.

The truth is, when we are part of a group, we are in part responsible for what that group does. Denial of that fact does not change that reality. Or the consequences of that reality. Say you ran every morning with some group of guys. Would you not seek to immediately distance yourself from them if some morning they all stopped and cussed out some woman that blocked their path? If corporate responsibility doesn't exist, why would you care? Would not people be correct to judge you if you continued to run with them after the event? Would you not in fact be condoning their behavior if you continued to run with them after the fact, or if you were there when it happened and did not do anything to stop it?

That makes no sense, perhaps I just don't want to hang around such guys. I'm am not responsible for their choices, nor do I feel responsible.

[Cow Poke]

And now she's telling porkies again

"porkies"... Jewish.....

[Gondwanaland]

Writes the man who thinks a Jewish academic and Reform Rabbi is an anti-Semite and made the following remark about Dr Cohn-Sherbok to me "Not surprised to see you carry water for anti-semites though."

And now she's telling porkies again

[oxmixmudd]

Again, I don't believe in collective responsibility, I believe in individual responsibility. I had no hand in what was done to blacks. And it is not that I am without empathy, but I believe that education is key. These kids, for at least a generation, need to get generous vouchers to get out of these failing and dangerous schools. And I would extend those vouchers to two years of Community College or private Technical Schools after high school. Though offering this to just one race is probably unconstitutional.

the reality is you do believe in collective responsibility seer, unless you are part of that collective. I here reference your willingness to condemn all protest on behalf of those that turn the peaceful events into riots or near riots after dark. And to your willingness to blame all or the majority of racial inequities on black culture.

The truth is, when we are part of a group, we are in part responsible for what that group does. Denial of that fact does not change that reality. Or the consequences of that reality. Say you ran every morning with some group of guys. Would you not seek to immediately distance yourself from them if some morning they all stopped and cussed out some woman that blocked their path? If corporate responsibility doesn't exist, why would you care? Would not people be correct to judge you if you continued to run with them after the event? Would you not in fact be condoning their behavior if you continued to run with them after the fact, or if you were there when it happened and did not do anything to stop it?

[oxmixmudd]

Writes the man who thinks a Jewish academic and Reform Rabbi is an anti-Semite and made the following remark about Dr Cohn-Sherbok to me "Not surprised to see you carry water for anti-semites though."

Although it seems fair to grant the reference to apion could be called blood libel, im not sure the actual point in trying to use that against either your arguments or my own. Blood libel for a period of some 2000* years is an anti semitic term that was derived within a christian cultural context and directed at Jewish peoples from within that same Christian cultural context.

*2000 years in the sense that no other prominent use of the term existed during that period. The origin of that usage was AFAIK in the middle ages.

[oxmixmudd]

I think I'll go with the Jews over the lady from the country that implemented and ran the Holocaust.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/blood-libel

Fair enough in the sense of a generalization of blood libel. But still completely out of context wrt my actual reply, which addresses anti-semitism of any source in the Christian church.

And I think you are missing the majority of the thrust of the link you reference, which is that blood libel is primarily a term which references the issue as it circulated in europe from the middle ages to the present, to the point all dictionary references I found for the term only reference it in relation within that context.

The instance described in your link related to a pre christian instance of a similar accusation is in fact wholly and completely unrelated to blood libel as it is used today and as it precipitated the long history of christian based anti-semitism in western culture, specifically those cultures that were predominantly christian.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I'll go with the Jews over the chick from Germany who expects apologies from white Christians for slavery but still has not given an apology for the actions of the Nazis.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/blood-libel

Writes the man who thinks a Jewish academic and Reform Rabbi is an anti-Semite and made the following remark about Dr Cohn-Sherbok to me "Not surprised to see you carry water for anti-semites though."

[Gondwanaland]

You are wrong in your views on this. That is a fact. The account given by Apion is not a "blood libel" and regardless of your employment of irrelevant analogies or your attempts to deride your interlocutor [myself] that fact will not change.

I'll go with the Jews over the chick from Germany who expects apologies from white Christians for slavery but still has not given an apology for the actions of the Nazis.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/blood-libel