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Originally posted by seanD View PostHe should let them burn it down. He doesn't have to go the authoritarian route, and it's more negative optics that could be useful to him come election. But he's just not that smart.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, that's part of why I'm torn --- but there are federal employees in there who are afraid for their lives.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-18-2020, 12:04 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThis is some sort of 'force' that Trump has created and is deploying wherever he thinks it is 'appropriate'.
They are not uniformed,
they do not identify themselves.
In a situation like that, an officer is not required to take the time, to the risk of his own life, to pull out his credentials for the arrestee to see.
I think, Jim, you saw an anti-Trump opportunity and jumped on it before understanding it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's it. Here is the Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse in question....
My apologies before hand -- it MAY be that the F word is also here, though partly obscured, but it helps make the point.
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There are several other photos I cannot post because the F-bomb is predominantly displayed.
If I were a federal employee, and the local authorities were derelict in their duties, and not protecting me, I'd WANT outside help!
Don't worry brudder, I fixed it and made it so the images were bigger than postage stamps when you clickinated on it.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe national guard is the appropriate organization to use here. An accountable, recognizable force with clear purpose and governance. The use of this secretive and unidentified force without known oversite and sanction by the whole of government is a major abuse of power.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTrump did not create the US Customs and Border Patrol, or other Federal Forces.
Yes, they are - they are not wearing their parade blues, but camos, which are similar to BDUs - Battle Dress Uniforms - which is the standard Uniform of the Day for such actions.
They do. The article says "generic police" -- POLICE is all that's required to be "identified" as police.
In a situation like that, an officer is not required to take the time, to the risk of his own life, to pull out his credentials for the arrestee to see.
I think, Jim, you saw an anti-Trump opportunity and jumped on it before understanding it.
But I wash my hand of your foolhardy ignorance. We can not allow this sort of thing. If not Trump, someone else. This is just another step towards the destruction of the freedoms we hold dear, and it can not be allowed to continue.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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We have no clear choices when a state is going rogue on us and allowing anarchy to rule. The disruptions are geared toward undoing the stability of the nation. Like Cow Poke, I am for state rights. However, I am also for protecting the country as a whole. A revolution promoted by people with Marxist training is not one of my desires.
There is sort of an approach that may be valid here. The States are required to maintain a republican form of government. If they veer from that, they have violated the Constitution and may be reasonably (but cautiously) subject to intervention by the united States. Beyond that, the Constitution and country have been able to survive momentary violations of the Constitution (or severe enduring ones that go on for long periods of time). But does the general population even know enough of the Constitution to be of value right now?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd one of those photos you did post had a prominent f-bomb
Don't worry brudder, I fixed it and made it so the images were bigger than postage stamps when you clickinated on it.
These are the thugs that Portland authorities are caving in to, and Federal forces which to protect.
But, it's another opportunity to attack Trump, so....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostWe have no clear choices when a state is going rogue on us...
This is about me isn't it?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo CP. This force is secretive, not publically announced,
they are sent in there without public acknowledgement or the permission of local governments.
But I wash my hand of your foolhardy ignorance.
We can not allow this sort of thing.
Again, I hate that this has happened, but if the local authorities had been doing THEIR job, instead of ceding authority to MOB RULE....
If not Trump, someone else. This is just another step towards the destruction of the freedoms we hold dear, and it can not be allowed to continue.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThanks - there are a lot of colors there, and my concern was that I wasn't seeing.... in some of the other photos I chose not to use, the F-bomb was WAY more prominent.
These are the thugs that Portland authorities are caving in to, and Federal forces which to protect.
But, it's another opportunity to attack Trump, so....
Wake up!My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo CP.
The issue is the use of secretive forces to accomplish that goal.
That is a very bad thing, history has seen the use of forces like that over and over by authoritarian regimes to erode freedoms and suppress dissent. And it would not matter who takes the step to begin doing it, it IS a clear and present danger to the freedoms we enjoy. A secretive police force suppressing freedom of speech.
Do you realize there are federal employees who work in that courthouse who are afraid for their lives, and are NOT being protected the local "authorities?
And, rather than send in federal POLICE, you want to send in the MILITARY?
Wake up!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThis is beyond the pale - and really quite unnerving. We do not do this sort of thing in the US, and yet, Trump is doing it. The US attorney in Oregon has launched an investigation. These unidentified (presumably legitimate) law enforcement agents have been seen arresting peaceful protestors and hauling them off in SUV's.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/us/po...ies/index.html
So this is not just a strange anomalous thing that showed up in DC during the Floyd protests. This is some sort of 'force' that Trump has created and is deploying wherever he thinks it is 'appropriate'. They are not uniformed, they do not identify themselves.
I truly hope those posting here in favor of Trump can recognize the very real and present danger of secret, heavily armed and unidentified forces deployed at the behest of the president against the wishes of state governments across the United States.
First, right out of the gate, it spins: "The US Attorney for the Oregon District on Friday requested an investigation into masked, camouflaged federal authorities without identification badges who are arresting protesters in Portland."
The only instance evidenced is here is where it states: Merkley also tweeted one video of such an arrest showing two masked, camouflaged individuals with generic "police" patches, detain a person dressed in a black outfit and place them in an unmarked van before driving away.
1) Everyone is wearing "masks" these days, so nothing unusual there
2) "camouflaged" = fatigues, so nothing unusual there
3) "police patches" = identification, so they aren't "without identification badges" as CNN stated
4) and a "person dressed in a black outfit" = antifa, he didn't look at all like a protester
The only part I agree is odd is the vehicle. It's unusual to see soldiers driving around in an umarked KIA, but I'm sure there is an explanation for it - although I doubt CNN was interested enough to investigate it.
One possible explanation is the video was staged. It isn't too difficult to get old military fatigues and appear as soldiers. It is more difficult to get a military vehicle. And what we have here are uniforms but no official vehicle. Someone orchestrating a video for political purposes, maybe? All the participants look like they're acting too.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are a modern nation with massive amounts of communication. People don't just disappear here - this isn't Backwaterland. If this guy on the street vanished his family would be screaming, and it would be all over social media and in the news.
So again, I see people who just absolutely hate Trump clutching at any straws that are thrown out there. Groups like CNN and New York Times will oblige you by spinning events to suit their narratives.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI'm pretty sure this view would be the complete opposite if it was for fighting the big bad covid boogieman. In fact, weren't you all for Trump using executive power in order to enforce the lock-downs? I know carp sure was.
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