secret forces in oregon cities, as in DC

[JimL]

This coming from the guy that believes Putin is literally controlling Trump and his decision making and constantly makes that claim here unabashedly. No conspiracy theory is too wacky just as long as it fits your partisan narrative.

It's not a conspiracy theory when there exist the actual evidence. There is no evidence that the "stormtroopers" are a hoax, and all the evidence in the world that they are unidentified Federal troops. And yeah, there's quite a bit of evidence that Putin is pulling Trumps strings. Although, being of the same charector as Putin, being a narcisistic authoritarian himself, I'm sure he doesn't mind the strings being pulled all that much.

[Cow Poke]

CP, these forces are there unannounced,

Perhaps they should have called and requested an appointment?

there is no coordination with local government or forces, and they do not identify themselves when they arrest people as being part of whstever they are part of. Nor do they communicate at all with those they are arresting, the just grab them, heavily armed, and toss them in the vans they are using.

How do you know all this, Jim? From the unhappy folks who allowed this chaos to take happen in the first place, and allowed the Federal Building to be turned into a billboard for hate speech, anti-cop rhetoric, F-bombs and be surrounded by mayhem and chaos?

And they are arresting people without cause.

Just for funzies, eh?

We can not allow this to proceed unchecked. You clearly know nothing about world history or oppressive authoritarian regimes.

You clearly are full of crap.

Most of all, you clearly are naive in terms of the precarious balance law and restraint of power that all our freedoms rest on.

More crap.

It's as if you know nothing of why we have the separation of powers, of how easy it is for any nation to slip into authoritarian practices, of how dangerous too much power is in the hands of a single person. Did you sleep through your history classes?

You have completed your journey to the dark side.

[Cow Poke]

Here's the deal.....

I'm not wild about HOW things are happening, but the thread title is a steaming pile of horsie poo.
There is nothing "secret" about the police - they are in uniform and wearing shoulder patches that identify their agency.

So, the title is totally crap.
The title refers to DC, then jumps to Portland.
The allegation that they are "secret" police is crap.
The allegation that they are "not wearing uniforms" is crap.

If you want to have a serious discussion, perhaps start with FACTS, not crap?

Even the NYT, while complaining about it, shows a picture of the officers IN UNIFORM with their agency on their shoulder patches.

[JimL]

Here's the deal.....

I'm not wild about HOW things are happening, but the thread title is a steaming pile of horsie poo.
There is nothing "secret" about the police - they are in uniform and wearing shoulder patches that identify their agency.

So, the title is totally crap.
The title refers to DC, then jumps to Portland.
The allegation that they are "secret" police is crap.
The allegation that they are "not wearing uniforms" is crap.

If you want to have a serious discussion, perhaps start with FACTS, not crap?

Even the NYT, while complaining about it, shows a picture of the officers IN UNIFORM with their agency on their shoulder patches.

What about it aren't you wild about?

[Cow Poke]

What about it aren't you wild about?

I hate it that the local officials allowed it to get so out of hand, and that it came to this.

[Cow Poke]

By the way, all this idiocy about "secret police" and "not in uniform" and "no authority"....

is the legal authorization under which this action was taken.

To act like this was some illegal Gestapo invasion is just psycho nuts.

Law enforcement authority of Secretary of Homeland Security for protection of public property

(a)
(b)

The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.

(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of offenses that may have been committed against property owned or occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland security as the Secretary may prescribe.

[oxmixmudd]

By the way, all this idiocy about "secret police" and "not in uniform" and "no authority"....

is the legal authorization under which this action was taken.

To act like this was some illegal Gestapo invasion is just psycho nuts.

Law enforcement authority of Secretary of Homeland Security for protection of public property

(a)
(b)

The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.

(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of offenses that may have been committed against property owned or occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland security as the Secretary may prescribe.

Amazing that you are so eager to defend the presidents abuse of power, the violation of the civil rights of peaceful protestors, the use of arbitrary and excessive force against us citizens exercising the constitutional rights to free speech.

[Watermelon]

Carp IN FACT did argue that. I was stunned because he was willing to allow this of a president he considered a dictator. His argument was that the cost of "saving lives" from the covid boogieman outweighed the cost of allowing Trump that authority. Whether you want to believe it or not is up to you, doofus.

I argued that and I stand by it. Using emergency powers to enforce a temporary two week lockdown of infected areas early on would have saved many many lives.

[Cow Poke]

Amazing that you are so eager to defend the presidents abuse of power,

Well, first, that's steaming load of horsie-poo.
Second, amazing that your absolute obsession with hating Trump causes you to post absolutely FALSE crap. I'd tell you you should be ashamed of yourself, but people in your condition have no shame.

the violation of the civil rights of peaceful protestors, the use of arbitrary and excessive force against us citizens exercising the constitutional rights to free speech.

Had your started with THAT instead of building it all on a bunch of outright lies, we would have had an entirely different conversation.

There are not "secret" police, contrary to your claim. That's a load of crap.
They ARE identified both with the word POLICE on their backs and fronts, as well as shoulder patches identifying their agency, contrary to your claim.
They ARE in uniform, contrary to your claim.

And I'm not "eager to defend the presidents abuse of power" --- that's yet another outright lie.

As I said, Jim, I'm torn by this. It appears to be Federal troops protecting FEDERAL property/courts.... where the states and local governments refuse to do so.

It's a tough one for me, because I'm pretty big into States' rights.

Again, next time, don't start a thread based on a pack of untruths, eh?

From the OP....

... They are not uniformed, they do not identify themselves.

[oxmixmudd]

Well, first, that's steaming load of horsie-poo.
Second, amazing that your absolute obsession with hating Trump causes you to post absolutely FALSE crap. I'd tell you you should be ashamed of yourself, but people in your condition have no shame.



Had your started with THAT instead of building it all on a bunch of outright lies, we would have had an entirely different conversation.

There are not "secret" police, contrary to your claim. That's a load of crap.
They ARE identified both with the word POLICE on their backs and fronts, as well as shoulder patches identifying their agency, contrary to your claim.
They ARE in uniform, contrary to your claim.

And I'm not "eager to defend the presidents abuse of power" --- that's yet another outright lie.



Again, next time, don't start a thread based on a pack of untruths, eh?

From the OP....

You sure like horsey poo.

[Cow Poke]

Just out of curiosity, Jim, when these "peaceful protesters" deface federal buildings, and take over and occupy police stations, and spray paint F the Police and KILL ALL COPS.....

Is that the kind of 'peaceful protest' you really want to defend? Are you THAT freakin nuts?

[Cow Poke]

You sure like horsey poo.

Wrong - I'm just pointing out that you're sure throwing a lot of it in this thread.

[Leonhard]

[seer]

Just out of curiosity, Jim, when these "peaceful protesters" deface federal buildings, and take over and occupy police stations, and spray paint F the Police and KILL ALL COPS.....

Is that the kind of 'peaceful protest' you really want to defend? Are you THAT freakin nuts?

We had a Back the Blue rally in my town last night, it was great. Of course I had to confront the cop haters - which cause my son no little consternation...

[Cow Poke]

"Peaceful protesters"....

Just last night...

Riot declared in NE Portland after building set on fire, PPB says

peaceful protesters.jpg

If these people were doing this to your house, would you be calling them "peaceful protesters"?