Covid-45

[Cow Poke]

Over 4.000 died in the USA in the past 4 days.

How many of these would have died without Covid? How many more died not related to Covid?

[Cow Poke]

More than died on 9/11, but I guess since the virus isn't Muslim, Republicans don't think it's a big deal.

wow

[Cow Poke]

I know. I was mocking the un-USA nomenclature, using a "." where a "," belonged.

I'm still not greatly bothered, given the documented screwiness of COD assignments.

I've also heard that year-over-year total deaths are not up significantly, but I don't know if that's true.

I always suspected Shuny was non-USA*.





*CP is kidding

[Sparko]

Trump and others in authority refused to address, deal proactively and aggressively the beginning early. It is over the top tragoc that Trump claims he is addressing the pandemic now as he always has, The problem is he has never provided the leadership from the beginning, and now we are gringing down to rough ending, or the coronavirus will hang around after the pandemic in various form, maybe to come back again. Vaccines will, but as never before 'defeat the COVID-10.

Everything you said is incorrect. Trump provided leadership, set up a task force with the CDC and filled it with disease experts and followed their advice. He shut down travel from China and Europe early. Recommended closing down the economy, organized equipment, and tasked experts on coming up with treatments and vaccines.

Exactly what should he have done? Be specific.

[Sparko]

More than died on 9/11, but I guess since the virus isn't Muslim, Republicans don't think it's a big deal.

7,000+ people die every day in the USA from natural causes and diseases, even without COVID-19.

[Whateverman]

Over 4.000 died in the USA in the past 4 days.

More than died on 9/11, but I guess since the virus isn't Muslim, Republicans don't think it's a big deal.

7,000+ people die every day in the USA from natural causes and diseases, even without COVID-19.

And?

That's neither avoidable nor Muslim.

[mossrose]

7,000+ people die every day in the USA from natural causes and diseases, even without COVID-19.

And how many more have died since the beginning when hospitals were closed from other issues that would otherwise have been addressed?

And how many babies died because abortion clinics were allowed to stay open?

[Sparko]

And?

That's neither avoidable nor Muslim.

Because, Drama Queen

It means that saying something like "that's more than died in 9/11" is just being overly dramatic by comparing natural deaths to a terrorist attack caused by people because natural deaths out number 9/11 on a DAILY basis even without COVID-19.

[Whateverman]

Because, Drama Queen

It means that saying something like "that's more than died in 9/11" is just being overly dramatic by comparing natural deaths to a terrorist attack caused by people because natural deaths out number 9/11 on a DAILY basis even without COVID-19.

And yet natural deaths are unavoidable.

Deaths due to disease can be minimized but not abolished.

Deaths due to terrorism fall into the same category as disease, but an event like 9/11 is avoidable. We don't need our airports to have inadequate security; we don't need to allow conditions on planes which give poorly armed men the ability to hijack it; we don't need to ignore intelligence which says that an attack is imminent. AND we don't need to invade another country - one that was not the source of the attack - to fight the terrorism. There was a lot we could have done to prevent 9/11 or mitigate its damage.

There's a lot we could have done to mitigate the US effects caused by COVID-19, too. That Republicans generally haven't expressed concern about those effects is both a fact and avoidable. And now we have more mostly-avoidable deaths occurring every 4 days than the mostly-avoidable deaths which occurred on 9/11. And Republicans are still actually skeptical that a problem exists,

[Sparko]

And yet natural deaths are unavoidable.

Deaths due to disease can be minimized but not abolished.

Death by COVID-19 is by natural causes

Deaths due to terrorism fall into the same category as disease, but an event like 9/11 is avoidable. We don't need our airports to have inadequate security; we don't need to allow conditions on planes which give poorly armed men the ability to hijack it; we don't need to ignore intelligence which says that an attack is imminent. AND we don't need to invade another country - one that was not the source of the attack - to fight the terrorism. There was a lot we could have done to prevent 9/11 or mitigate its damage.

There's a lot we could have done to mitigate the US effects caused by COVID-19, too. That Republicans generally haven't expressed concern about those effects is both a fact and avoidable. And now we have more mostly-avoidable deaths occurring every 4 days than the mostly-avoidable deaths which occurred on 9/11. And Republicans are still actually skeptical that a problem exists,

OK, genius, what should we have done differently? and how is it the Republican's fault we didn't?

Should we have locked everyone in their homes under house arrest while the economy went into the toilet? Maybe we should have stopped all those rioters all over the country that you keep supporting? or do you believe only republicans can spread the virus?

Regardless, comparing a terrorist attack with a pandemic is just pure drama queenery, meant to evoke an emotional response.

[Cow Poke]

Death by COVID-19 is by natural causes

Unless, of course, those conspiracies are true, and the Chinese have WEAPONIZED the illness and it's GENOCIDE!!!


(I'll let myself out)

[Whateverman]

Death by COVID-19 is by natural causes

A distinction without a difference, genius.

what should we have done differently? and how is it the Republican's fault we didn't?

Hindsight's 20/20, so I'm not going by that.

What he shouldn't have done is lie incessantly about the virus (it's under control, it'll be gone soon or when the weather warms up, we have the best testing/treatment in the world, anyone who wants a test can get one, it's just the sniffles, it's no worse than the flu, it's harmless for 99% of people who get it, etc). He shouldn't have politicized the virus (it's a Democrat hoax, etc). He shouldn't ever have pretended that masks and social distancing are anything other than absolutely necessary. He shouldn't shouldn't have released standards for cities/states to reopen, and then threaten them to reopen independent of whether the standards have been met. He shouldn't have publicly undermined the expertise of his own task force.

Rather than me being a genius for knowing these things, you're an idiot for not knowing them.

[Sparko]

A distinction without a difference, genius.

you were the one trying to make a distinction, idjut.

Hindsight's 20/20, so I'm not going by that.

That's exactly what you have been doing. But when I ask for details you can't provide anything they should have done differently.

What he shouldn't have done is lie incessantly about the virus (it's under control, it'll be gone soon or when the weather warms up, we have the best testing/treatment in the world, anyone who wants a test can get one, it's just the sniffles, it's no worse than the flu, it's harmless for 99% of people who get it, etc). He shouldn't have politicized the virus (it's a Democrat hoax, etc). He shouldn't ever have pretended that masks and social distancing are anything other than absolutely necessary. He shouldn't shouldn't have released standards for cities/states to reopen, and then threaten them to reopen independent of whether the standards have been met. He shouldn't have publicly undermined the expertise of his own task force.

He didn't lie. He was optimistic. He always used words like "might be" "could" etc. He never called it a hoax, he said the way the democrats were politicizing it was a hoax. He never pretended anything about the masks. The WHO and CDC couldn't make up their minds about masks. Why aren't you blaming them? He just listened to them. His task force, the EXPERTS like Fauci et al were the ones who came up with the standards. And they were good standards, just weren't followed by the people in the states, or the governors. This is the United States of America. That means the states have autonomy. You were just complaining in another post about Trump being Authoritarian. Now you are complaining because he wasn't authoritarian enough? and thse are just things to whine about. They don't answer my question.

You claimed they should have done things differently. What should Trump have done? Be specific. Policies. And remember the states aren't under his thumb, they have their own governments.

Rather than me being a genius for knowing these things, you're an idiot for not knowing them.

Come on, you are a kid aren't you? 15? 16?

[shunyadragon]

How many of these would have died without Covid? How many more died not related to Covid?

They ALL died of COVID-19. Of course everybody will eventually die. Are you chearing them on. This is as a foolish cold synical indifferent response to the death and suffering of COVID-19 as sparko. Conservative eugenics

[shunyadragon]

7,000+ people die every day in the USA from natural causes and diseases, even without COVID-19.

That makes 1.000 more a day that died from COVID-19 in the past four days. The difference was much much greater in the height of the pandemic. This is as a foolish cold synical indifferent response to the death and suffering of COVID-19 as sparko. Conservative eugenics.