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  • SCOTUS denies Trumps bid to overturn DACA.

    The Supreme Court denies Trumps latest bid to overturn DACA on 5 to 4 dicision. Justice Roberts writes majority decision. 700,000 dreamers can now breath easy.
    Last edited by JimL; 06-18-2020, 09:24 AM.

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    Sounds like the SCOTUS didn't care for the claim that the program was illegal to begin with. Very close decison. And DOJ can bring up the matter again.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
      Sounds like the SCOTUS didn't care for the claim that the program was illegal to begin with. Very close decison. And DOJ can bring up the matter again.
      Good luck with that. Trump will be out of office and in asylum in Russia by then.

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      • #4
        Roberts was once again the spoiler.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JimL View Post
          The Supreme Court denies Trumps latest bid to overturn DACA on 5 to 4 dicision. Justice Roberts writes majority decision. 700,000 dreamers can now breath easy.
          Yay. Breaking the law DOES pay...
          That's what
          - She

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          • #6
            Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't about the merits of the case, but about procedure.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't about the merits of the case, but about procedure.
              Yes it is.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
                Yes it is.
                Seems so more and more, as I read more about it.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't about the merits of the case, but about procedure.
                  I'd rephrase that to "this isn't about the merits of DACA, but about procedure".

                  And I'd agree, yes.

                  The SCOTUS decision made clear that there's still room for DACA to be repealed. I strongly suspect this will never happen, though, because (aka. the real reason Republicans are trying) there isn't enough time for it to benefit Trump's re-election campaign. The whole kerfuffle was never about immigration...
                  Last edited by Whateverman; 06-18-2020, 12:13 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                    I'd rephrase that to "this isn't about the merits of DACA, but about procedure".

                    And I'd agree, yes.
                    OK, I'll buy that!

                    The SCOTUS decision made clear that there's still room for DACA to be repealed. I strongly suspect this will never happen, though, because (aka. the real reason Republicans are trying) there isn't enough time for it to benefit Trump's re-election campaign. The whole kerfuffle was never about immigration...
                    I predict "immigration" won't be solved (or even seriously addressed) any time soon. Both sides need it as a political football.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      I just heard a news clip with Pelosi making a comment about how good DACA is. The funny thing here is that Pelosi has not pushed a bill to make DACA into a law. Why didn't the Democrats ever pass a bill on this? A bill would have made the outcome more secure. It really is hard to take Pelosi or the Supreme Court seriously on this.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                        I just heard a news clip with Pelosi making a comment about how good DACA is. The funny thing here is that Pelosi has not pushed a bill to make DACA into a law. Why didn't the Democrats ever pass a bill on this? A bill would have made the outcome more secure. It really is hard to take Pelosi or the Supreme Court seriously on this.
                        Executive order by Obama, supported by democrats. As congressional legislation the republican Senate would never pass it. You got to love a party that would throw 700,000 young people out of the only country they've ever known.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          Executive order by Obama, supported by democrats. As congressional legislation the republican Senate would never pass it. You got to love a party that would throw 700,000 young people out of the only country they've ever known.
                          It never was a law. Laws are to be created by Congress.

                          This is not particularly the only country that most of these people have known. They likely still have relatives (for most of them) in the original country.

                          If there are no loopholes ... I would prefer that parents who enter the country legally with children under 10 years old (or some reasonable number) could have automatic inclusion of these children into citizenship when the parents get citizenship -- if the kids have not turned 18 years old by this time.

                          I know of one guy who was taken to Yuma Arizona for exportation. He was married to a citizen. I'm not sure what happened eventually. But I didn't want him to be exported.

                          People who immigrate are taking risks on their own future and that of their children. We can lose a sense of freedom and the principles that make us free when we have too quick of immigration from other countries.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                            The funny thing here is that Pelosi has not pushed a bill to make DACA into a law. Why didn't the Democrats ever pass a bill on this?
                            They did. Republicans blocked it, over and over and over again.

                            DREAM act:
                            2009
                            2010
                            2011
                            2012
                            2017
                            Dream and Promise Act:
                            2019

                            So, the Republican senate, could, if it wanted to, next week take up the latest bill the Democrats passed in the House in 2019, the Dream and Promise Act, and pass it to make it law. House Dems have done their part by writing and passing the law, as you wanted.

                            A bill would have made the outcome more secure.
                            Indeed. Can you please convince the Republican senators to vote for it? Thanks.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              They did. Republicans blocked it, over and over and over again.

                              DREAM act:
                              2009
                              2010
                              2011
                              2012
                              2017
                              Dream and Promise Act:
                              2019

                              So, the Republican senate, could, if it wanted to, next week take up the latest bill the Democrats passed in the House in 2019, the Dream and Promise Act, and pass it to make it law. House Dems have done their part by writing and passing the law, as you wanted.

                              Indeed. Can you please convince the Republican senators to vote for it? Thanks.
                              These rejections aren't based on the extremely stupid things the Dems always throw into bills, are they?

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