"baby" isn't a scientific term people. "fetus," "embryo," "zygote" are. That's the difference. There is no scientific state of life called "baby" - so claiming it is "inaccurate" is just silly. Baby just refers to someone's offspring, usually at a very young age, but as has been pointed out, mothers refer to their 30 year old children as "my baby"
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostSo, when the embryo implants into the wall of the uterus, before it becomes a blastocyst, is the woman pregnant?
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1) Your first example doesn't make your point since obviously it's speaking about the entirely of the person's pregnancy.
2) The second doesn't as the baby is classified a fetus before the end other the first trimester.
You and CP are trying to change history into the claiming that a claim is being made that the baby is is *never* called a baby while unborn but obviously that's false.Last edited by DivineOb; 06-18-2020, 11:37 AM.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostYou and CP are trying to change history into the claiming that the baby is is *never* called a baby while unborn but obviously that's false.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
I will agree that this link which speaks in informal language to a nonscientific audience describes an it as a baby at an early point in the pregnancy. Congrats. That still doesn't have anything to do with Whateverman's point.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View Post*Finally* your fourth bite at the apple gets us there.
I will agree that this link which speaks in informal language to a nonscientific audience describes an it as a baby at an early point in the pregnancy. Congrats. That still doesn't have anything to do with Whateverman's point.That's what
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Baby is only a term for offspring. It's not a scientific term for a stage of development! It's also used to mean an immature human(as an insult). Sure, infant is what may pop into your head first, but toddlers are still babies even if they are no longer infants. And premature babies are called babies even if they are still the same age as a fetus, they just have to struggle for survival while their peer is still living on easy street.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post"baby" isn't a scientific term people. "fetus," "embryo," "zygote" are. That's the difference. There is no scientific state of life called "baby" - so claiming it is "inaccurate" is just silly.
Calling something that looks akin to embryos of other species a baby is just as silly.
Face it: pro-life advocates call everything during the 9 month gestation period a baby, because it's easier to tug on emotions than address the complicated ethical situation that abortion is at the center of.
If you want pro-choicers to stop using technical terminology, stop pro-lifers from arguing from emotion.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostCalling a blastocyst a "baby" is silly.
Calling something that looks akin to embryos of other species a baby is just as silly.
Face it: pro-life advocates call everything during the 9 month gestation period a baby, because it's easier to tug on emotions than address the complicated ethical situation that abortion is at the center of.
If you want pro-choicers to stop using technical terminology, stop pro-lifers from arguing from emotion.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostCalling a blastocyst a "baby" is silly.
Calling something that looks akin to embryos of other species a baby is just as silly.
Face it: pro-life advocates call everything during the 9 month gestation period a baby, because it's easier to tug on emotions than address the complicated ethical situation that abortion is at the center of.
If you want pro-choicers to stop using technical terminology, stop pro-lifers from arguing from emotion."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSo when your wife/daughter/cousin/whoever says they are going to have a baby, do you correct them?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOr when his wife/daughter/cousin/whoever has a miscarriage and, in deep sorrow, says "I lost my baby", does he correct them?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostCalling a blastocyst a "baby" is silly.
Calling something that looks akin to embryos of other species a baby is just as silly.
Face it: pro-life advocates call everything during the 9 month gestation period a baby, because it's easier to tug on emotions than address the complicated ethical situation that abortion is at the center of.
If you want pro-choicers to stop using technical terminology, stop pro-lifers from arguing from emotion.
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Which is weird. Becuase infant can apply to any very young primate, but it's not dehumanizing to call a baby less than a year out of the womb an infant. Embryo could refer to any multicellular organism at the beginning of development, including humans, but context usually makes clear what organism is being referred to. Fetus refers to the developing young of placental mammals, so specifying which mammal is important. I don't like the idea of killing any fetal or infant mammal(including the ones I am fine eating when they sre full grown).If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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