Defund Police...

[Cow Poke]

What's the walk back? A community led public safety system which replaces the police dept is a disbanding of the police dept. But it isn't an end to law enforcement as you guys were asserting.

Not gonna rehash this whole thing again, Jim -- re-read the thread if your memory is blurred again - that seems to happen a lot. They had very clearly called for ABOLISHING the police and DISMANTLING the police and replacing it with something else.

That is NOT what happened in Camden, NJ.

[Cow Poke]

I'm thinking that the absolute CHAOS we see in "CHAZ" may be waking up the nutters on the Minneapolis City Council and showing them how utterly insane their ideas were.

[KingsGambit]

It seems that some people literally *do* mean abolish the police from what I have seen in online discussions, contrary to the assertions made that nobody actually means that.

[Cow Poke]

It seems that some people literally *do* mean abolish the police from what I have seen in online discussions, contrary to the assertions made that nobody actually means that.

Absolutely!!! Even in Minneapolis they're sending mixed signals. I think cooler heads are trying to massage this into "over time", but that's obviously not what they were saying initially.

[DesertBerean]

i'm thinking that the absolute chaos we see in "chaz" may be waking up the nutters on the minneapolis city council and showing them how utterly insane their ideas were.

"chaz"??

[JimL]

Not gonna rehash this whole thing again, Jim -- re-read the thread if your memory is blurred again - that seems to happen a lot. They had very clearly called for ABOLISHING the police and DISMANTLING the police and replacing it with something else.

That is NOT what happened in Camden, NJ.

What's the walk back in the article you just posted. I think you miscomprehended again, CP.

[Cow Poke]

"chaz"??

Ummmmm.... Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone --- the MOE-rons who are making fools of themselves in Seattle.

[Cow Poke]

What's the walk back in the article you just posted. I think you miscomprehended again, CP.

You're doing that thing again where you're acting like the class fool.

[JimL]

You're doing that thing again where you're acting like the class fool.

Typical, CP. Can't answer, attack the person.

[Cow Poke]

Typical, CP. Can't answer, attack the person.

Yeah, when you can talk like a big boy, hit me back, k?

[DesertBerean]

Ummmmm.... Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone --- the MOE-rons who are making fools of themselves in Seattle.

Oh! Ok.

[seer]

NY Times op-ed clears up 'Defund the police' confusion: 'Yes, we mean literally abolish the police'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-tim...ish-the-police

[Charles]

NY Times op-ed clears up 'Defund the police' confusion: 'Yes, we mean literally abolish the police'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-tim...ish-the-police

Interestingly it seems you want to point to what an op-ed in NY Times says while linking to Fox News... Reading the actual op-ed is rather interesting:

The philosophy undergirding these reforms is that more rules will mean less violence. But police officers break rules all the time. Look what has happened over the past few weeks — police officers slashing tires, shoving old men on camera, and arresting and injuring journalists and protesters. These officers are not worried about repercussions any more than Daniel Pantaleo, the former New York City police officer whose chokehold led to Eric Garner’s death; he waved to a camera filming the incident. He knew that the police union would back him up and he was right. He stayed on the job for five more years.

Minneapolis had instituted many of these “best practices” but failed to remove Derek Chauvin from the force despite 17 misconduct complaints over nearly two decades, culminating in the entire world watching as he knelt on George Floyd’s neck for almost nine minutes.

What about rape? The current approach hasn’t ended it. In fact most rapists never see the inside of a courtroom. Two-thirds of people who experience sexual violence never report it to anyone. Those who file police reports are often dissatisfied with the response. Additionally, police officers themselves commit sexual assault alarmingly often. A study in 2010 found that sexual misconduct was the second most frequently reported form of police misconduct. In 2015, The Buffalo News found that an officer was caught for sexual misconduct every five days.

When people, especially white people, consider a world without the police, they envision a society as violent as our current one, merely without law enforcement — and they shudder. As a society, we have been so indoctrinated with the idea that we solve problems by policing and caging people that many cannot imagine anything other than prisons and the police as solutions to violence and harm.

People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation. What would the country look like if it had billions of extra dollars to spend on housing, food and education for all? This change in society wouldn’t happen immediately, but the protests show that many people are ready to embrace a different vision of safety and justice.

[Cow Poke]

NY Times op-ed clears up 'Defund the police' confusion: 'Yes, we mean literally abolish the police'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-tim...ish-the-police

JimL will be back directly to explain how wrong they got that.

Meanwhile, I think he's taking a trip to Seattle to volunteer to be Mayor of CHAZ.

[Leonhard]

JimL will be back directly to explain how wrong they got that.

Meanwhile, I think he's taking a trip to Seattle to volunteer to be Mayor of CHAZ.

To someone ignorant about the police like me, it does seem that if the corp has rotted through from top to bottom, you might have to basically lay them all off. Defund the whole thing. Then fly in experienced and good officers who you can build a new police force with.

And yes, find legal muscle to prevent the unions from stopping this.