Ahmaud Arbery; racist killing and attempted cover up.

[Mountain Man]

Seeing as there was a second vehicle behind Arbery, it's the attempt to wrestle the shotgun away was a flight or fight response. That aside, the 2019 GA statute only provides citizen's arrest for in when the offender is witnessed to have commit the crime or with immediate knowledge. If the offender is attempting to escape, it has to be a felony in order to justify the arrest. The citizen's arrest was unjustified by the statute, therefore any actions taken were a result of illegal activity.

It's felony murder. All the charges are appropriate.

That's the case the prosecution has to make, but Arbery's background, the fact that he was witnessed trespassing on the day of the incident, and the video evidence showing that he was shot during a struggle that he could have easily avoided is going to makes for an uphill battle for the prosecutors.

[Reepicheep]

All three defendants were denied bail and have been in jail awaiting trial for over 10 months. The fact they were denied bail speaks volumes about the strength of the legal case against them.

The 1863 "citizens arrest" law (which was passed to allow Caucasians to arrest, and if necessary kill, blacks who were suspected of being runaway slaves), which was used by the defendants to justify Arbery's killing, is currently under review. The Alabama Senate approved a major overhaul of the law by a vote of 52-1. The revised law is now being examined by the Alabama House.

[Mountain Man]

As has been said over and over, being violently chased by armed men presents one with few options...

Look at how you state things: you inject emotion into it which makes it impossible for you to look at things dispassionately. This is why discussions with you are fruitless. You make self-serving assumptions and then pretend that they're facts.

[Cow Poke]

All three defendants were denied bail and have been in jail awaiting trial for over 10 months. The fact they were denied bail speaks volumes about the strength of the legal case against them.

No, it doesn't. It could simply be that the judge denied the bail due to the racial overtones. This "speaks volumes" is a bunch of hooey.

[Bill the Cat]

All three defendants were denied bail and have been in jail awaiting trial for over 10 months. The fact they were denied bail speaks volumes about the strength of the legal case against them.

Again, not necessarily. It could have been for their own safety. I do not recall seeing the judge's reasoning for denying it.

The 1863 "citizens arrest" law (which was passed to allow Caucasians to arrest, and if necessary kill, blacks who were suspected of being runaway slaves), which was used by the defendants to justify Arbery's killing, is currently under review. The Alabama Senate approved a major overhaul of the law by a vote of 52-1. The revised law is now being examined by the Alabama House.

They just passed the change 2 days ago

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-ahmaud-arbery

[Diogenes]

Not necessarily. "IMMEDIATE KNOWLEDGE" can be interpreted as the local police notifying them.

The immediate knowledge has to be of the crime and individual. That has nothing to do with police notification. Mere suspicion of a individual committing a crime the night before through a video doesn't constitute immediate knowledge or the crime happening in your presence. For suspicion to be grounds for citizen's arrest, the crime has to be a felony.

[Diogenes]

That's the case the prosecution has to make, but Arbery's background, the fact that he was witnessed trespassing on the day of the incident, and the video evidence showing that he was shot during a struggle that he could have easily avoided is going to makes for an uphill battle for the prosecutors.

The suspicion was from a video of the prior night. Try again Patrick

[Bill the Cat]

The suspicion was from a video of the prior night. Try again Patrick

Why does Mountain Man's name appear as "Patrick" in your posts?

[Diogenes]

Yes, we're fully aware of that, but this "runner" had a long history of criminal activity, using "running" as his cover --- sadly, it finally caught up with him.

His history is immaterial to the use of citizen's arrest.

And regardless of how many times we say he did NOT deserve to be killed, the super-woke will always declare that considering ANY fact that doesn't support the "white vigilantes murdered the poor black man" is "blaming the victim".

Good thing I'm not super-woke.

[Cerebrum123]

Why does Mountain Man's name appear as "Patrick" in your posts?

He's using the name change thing that Mountain Man often does, in this case it is a reference to the Lutheran Satire videos where Donall and Conall call everyone "Patrick". This seems to be due to their first video being about St. Patrick.

[Diogenes]

It's been awhile but IIRC it was in their presence.

Now if they had been smart they would have simply followed him as he left making no attempt to apprehend or confront but instead calling 9-1-1 and waiting for a cop to arrive.

It was based on video surveillance of a prior night. Regarding the grounds of suspension, the statutes reads that the individual has to be attempting to escape a felony to justify a citizen's arrest. The defence rests on the citizen's arrest being legitimate.

[Cow Poke]

His history is immaterial to the use of citizen's arrest.

Never said it was.

Good thing I'm not super-woke.

Never said you were.

[oxmixmudd]

Look at how you state things: you inject emotion into it which makes it impossible for you to look at things dispassionately. This is why discussions with you are fruitless. You make self-serving assumptions and then pretend that they're facts.

Arbery was violently chased by armed men. That is a statement of fact. The chase was so vigorous he was hit by one of the trucks during it, which goes directly to why he would have believed he was fighting for his life.

These are simply the facts. If the facts produce emotion in you, it does not mean I am being 'emotional' when I quote them.

[Bill the Cat]

He's using the name change thing that Mountain Man often does, in this case it is a reference to the Lutheran Satire videos where Donall and Conall call everyone "Patrick". This seems to be due to their first video being about St. Patrick.

That's not funny...

[Cow Poke]

No, it doesn't. It could simply be that the judge denied the bail due to the racial overtones. This "speaks volumes" is a bunch of hooey.

Rather than run off half-cocked making assumptions, let's ask the judge...

Chatham County Judge Timothy Walmsley explained his decision in a court document obtained by a local news outlet. He argued that the two men pose a “significant risk of influencing witnesses and obstructing justice” in a letter.

Greg McMichael, 64, and his son Travis McMichael, 34, are waiting for trial following the Feb. 23 incident that claimed the life of Arbery, a black man who was shot by the younger suspect while he was on a run. Video of the incident was filmed by William “Roddie” Bryan, the third man who was involved in the altercation. He is also facing charges for his role in Arbery’s killing.

Walmsley cited a voicemail that Gregory allegedly sent to Brunswick District Attorney Jackie Johnson shortly after the shooting as an example of the potential risk involved in allowing bail. In the recording, which was played during the bond hearing, the older McMichael, a retired police officer, asked Johnson to call him “as soon as you possibly can” and that he and his son were “involved in a shooting.” He also stated that he would need “some advice” from his former employer.

Gregory worked as an investigator for Johnson’s office for 20 years before he resigned. The judge referred to the voicemail as “remarkable” and indicated that he was trying to take advantage of Johnson’s influence. The McMichaels’ attorneys have denied this claim.

But the judge continued, noting that after the shooting, Gregory McMichael might have attempted to impede the investigation when he asked his wife to delete posts on social media that were a “potential source.”

So it wasn't about "how serious the crime was", but out of concern that they would influence witnesses and obstruct justice.