Will COVID 19 return?

[carpedm9587]

Your disingenuous, offhandish dismissal of the material I presented, where doctors testify to the efficacy of using HCQ, is irrational and most likely politically motivated. I also presented the results of actual studies. These doctors have now thousands of high risk patients who have received treatment with HCQ, without any complications. When taken early, rather than when the patient is intubated and in a coma, dying in the ICU, Hydrocychloroquine has proven very effective. The mortality rate for high risk patients who take HCQ early, is reduced from as high as 10% or higher, to lower than 1%. If you want to pretend HCQ doesn't work, go right ahead, but your demand for double blind, controlled studies in the middle of a pandemic is quite absurd.

Where did I ask for this?

I may not agree with Donald Trump, on most issues, but he was correct in presenting HCQ as a possible treatment solution. I don't care if he's a right wing Republican, that is irrelevant. Too many leftists are throwing HCQ under the bus or just ignoring it, just because Trump offered it as a possible COVID treatment. That's foolish.

I'm not throwing anything under the bus. I'm a lay person without medical expertise. I defer to the doctors on making this decision. I'm not a fan of lay people getting on an agenda for promoting one medical treatment over another, even when they occupy the Oval Office. I don't think you have the qualifications - I'm pretty sure Trump doesn't have the qualifications - and I know I certainly don't. When it comes to how to best treat patients - I leave that to the people on the front lines doing the treating.

[carpedm9587]

It could contain misinformation that will unnecessarily lead to people taking risks and getting killed.

Agreed.

[carpedm9587]

This kind of story is popping up all over the world, and underscores the danger of opening too soon. We are talking about a virus whose transmission rates are known (highly infectious), mortality is reasonably known (appears to be between 5 and 15 times as deadly as a seasonal flu), and we (apparently) do not yet have herd immunity (though the lack of adequate testing is making it very hard to know how close or far we are from that goal). That some percentage of the population has already been exposed lowers the R0 for the virus, but I have not found any good information about what it has been lowered to.

So the "let's open the country" people are rolling the dice - lacking adequate information - and playing with lives. Unfortunately, they are not just playing with their own lives - they are playing with the rest of our lives as well.

As I have posted before: insistence on rights without acknowledging responsibilities is not freedom - it's adolescence.

[Cow Poke]

This kind of story is popping up all over the world, and underscores the danger of opening too soon. We are talking about a virus whose transmission rates are known (highly infectious), mortality is reasonably known (appears to be between 5 and 15 times as deadly as a seasonal flu), and we (apparently) do not yet have herd immunity (though the lack of adequate testing is making it very hard to know how close or far we are from that goal). That some percentage of the population has already been exposed lowers the R0 for the virus, but I have not found any good information about what it has been lowered to.

So the "let's open the country" people are rolling the dice - lacking adequate information - and playing with lives. Unfortunately, they are not just playing with their own lives - they are playing with the rest of our lives as well.

As I have posted before: insistence on rights without acknowledging responsibilities is not freedom - it's adolescence.

I've always been a "rights with responsibilities" kind of guy.

[carpedm9587]

I've always been a "rights with responsibilities" kind of guy.

That's why I call you "Saint CP"

[Cow Poke]

That's why I call you "Saint CP"

But do you bow when you say it?

[carpedm9587]

But do you bow when you say it?

So many possible responses...

[Cow Poke]

So many possible responses...

Will you still be on the internet when you move to Nairobi?

[shunyadragon]

I've always been a "rights with responsibilities" kind of guy.

The problem is dealing with claims of "rights" with irresponsibilities"

[Cow Poke]

The problem is dealing with claims of "rights" with irresponsibilities"

And that gets back to things like "fairness" --- fair to WHOM. It's all relative.

[carpedm9587]

Will you still be on the internet when you move to Nairobi?

Nairobi is not on the list...but yes, I'll be online wherever I end up.

[carpedm9587]

And that gets back to things like "fairness" --- fair to WHOM. It's all relative.

Now you're talking!

I've been telling you guys its "all relative" for some time now. So glad to have you endorse it!

[Charles]

Now you're talking!

I've been telling you guys its "all relative" for some time now. So glad to have you endorse it!

Unfortunately, some of them have been holding a relative moral "standard" for quite some years now. For all practical matters that is what they preach and defend. In a pure theoretical debate they will, however, claim they have got an absolute that you don't have. But even that seems to serve the purpose of holding the standard low and not high.

[Cow Poke]

Now you're talking!

I've been telling you guys its "all relative" for some time now. So glad to have you endorse it!

You DO make me laugh.

Let us note, however, that I was talking specifically about the issue of "fairness".

[carpedm9587]

That is just plain ignorance and disregard of facts. Do you have another theory for the censorship or are you saying there is no censorship?

I'm seeing no evidence of censorship targeted at the Covid-19 discussion.

What would it take to convince you about the censorship?

A pattern of actual censorships.

Facts and examples don't seem to help. I don't know why you could hold to this denial so strongly.

I don't see how you can hold to this unsubstantiated claim so strongly...

The worst effect that is going to happen on the poor and the minorities will be the deaths from the downturn we caused on the economy. Further poverty will result as well as deaths from increased unemployment.

Often repeated - never supported with any data.

But I suppose that you have not looked into that at all, since you are focused on the scare tactics.

I actually have - many times now. I have fouond no data to substantiate the claims. They appear to be a right-wing scare tactic. As I have noted before, there are many ways to deal with poverty and need. There is currently only one way to deal with the pandemic.