Can We Hate China Now?

[JimL]

From what I read, for weeks China knew that its citizens from the Wuhan area were infected. They covered it up and even jailed doctors who were blowing the whistle. Then they let citizens from this region fly all over the world. And they get upset when we call it the China Virus?

I think we all know now that China, for whatever reason, tried to cover up, the same way Trump, for whatever reason, tried to downplay the situation. But it isn't a chinese virus and calling it that is misleading bigotry to chinese people all around the world, including those here in the U.S.

[seanD]

They screwed up, royally. Now it's all about the leadership not taking the blame. Hence the cover-up, bizarre stories about it being the U.S. who started it and the like.

Very true in regards to how we'd respond. That would be a clear pretext for us to attack because we have the military to do it. They don't. Instead, they'd have to concede a vicious offensive against them that they don't have to ability to respond to. It makes them look vulnerable and weak.

I'm not arguing either for or against this. I'm just struggling to believe a Chinese official would publicly make that accusation out the blue. If they're that willing to believe such paranoid and outrageous things that have no basis in fact, then we're in serious trouble, being that they're a very unhinged nuclear superpower.

[Mountain Man]

It sort of makes you wonder why they went to such great lengths to do this. Their actions seem to imply this wasn't a natural pandemic situation.

They certainly seemed to know what they were dealing with while the rest of the world was still trying to figure it out.

[seer]

I think we all know now that China, for whatever reason, tried to cover up, the same way Trump, for whatever reason, tried to downplay the situation. But it isn't a chinese virus and calling it that is misleading bigotry to chinese people all around the world, including those here in the U.S.

That is just silly, we need to remember where it came from and why it spread around the world.

[Darth Executor]

Very true in regards to how we'd respond. That would be a clear pretext for us to attack because we have the military to do it. They don't. Instead, they'd have to concede a vicious offensive against them that they don't have to ability to respond to. It makes them look vulnerable and weak.

I'm not arguing either for or against this. I'm just struggling to believe a Chinese official would publicly make that accusation out the blue. If they're that willing to believe such paranoid and outrageous things that have no basis in fact, then we're in serious trouble, being that they're a very unhinged nuclear superpower.

Or they're lying to deflect blame from their malice and incompetence in the original response.

I guess that WOULD be far fetched and the most obvious and sane answer is that Xi "Honest Abe" Jinping actually believes the US unleashed a biological weapon.

[RumTumTugger]

Very true in regards to how we'd respond. That would be a clear pretext for us to attack because we have the military to do it. They don't. Instead, they'd have to concede a vicious offensive against them that they don't have to ability to respond to. It makes them look vulnerable and weak.

I'm not arguing either for or against this. I'm just struggling to believe a Chinese official would publicly make that accusation out the blue. If they're that willing to believe such paranoid and outrageous things that have no basis in fact, then we're in serious trouble, being that they're a very unhinged nuclear superpower.

Why are you having trouble thinking the Chinese leadership would make such a false accusation like this and it wasn't out of the blue. China covered up what was happening when it happened in October they did not tell the world till January what do you think they would do when their cover up was discovered? Exactly what they are doing now putting the blame on someone else so they can remain in power.

[seanD]

Why are you having trouble thinking the Chinese leadership would make such a false accusation like this and it wasn't out of the blue. China covered up what was happening when it happened in October they did not tell the world till January what do you think they would do when their cover up was discovered? Exactly what they are doing now putting the blame on someone else so they can remain in power.

It's not that I'm having trouble accepting they would make it up. It's the reason they'd do it that disturbs me. No one's going to believe an extraordinary claim like that without evidence, so everyone would just assume they're obviously flailing. Yet to claim they were attacked this way, justifies a response. That's pretty scary, considering they don't have a conventional military to match us. Their only retaliatory ways to respond -- cyber attack, their own bio-weapon, nukes.

[Darth Executor]

It's not that I'm having trouble accepting they would make it up. It's the reason they'd do it that disturbs me. No one's going to believe an extraordinary claim like that without evidence, so everyone would just assume they're obviously flailing. Yet to claim they were attacked this way, justifies a response. That's pretty scary, considering they don't have a conventional military to match us. Their only retaliatory ways to respond -- cyber attack, their own bio-weapon, nukes.

That's not how they responded last time they made similar false allegations, under considerably crazier and more evil people:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ing-dangerous/

[RumTumTugger]

here is the timeline about how long China knew about the virus



and people are wondering why china is spreading the lie about it being America's fault and not the responsiblity of the Chinese Government for it's coverup?

[seanD]

here is the timeline about how long China knew about the virus



and people are wondering why china is spreading the lie about it being America's fault and not the responsiblity of the Chinese Government for it's coverup?

That was one option.

[Terraceth]

Was the initial cover-up (i.e. the telling of doctors who were trying to alert people to instead shut up and not talk about it) actually ordered or orchestrated by the national Chinese government? The impression I got from reading about it before now was that it was the local government independently performing the clampdown.

[JimL]

That is just silly, we need to remember where it came from and why it spread around the world.

It's well known where and how the virus originated, but calling it "the chinese virus" is simply stigmatizing a race of people, the chinese people. It isn't "a chinese virus," it's "a virus" the name of which is Corona or Covid-19.

[Mountain Man]

It's well known where and how the virus originated, but calling it "the chinese virus" is simply stigmatizing a race of people, the chinese people. It isn't "a chinese virus," it's "a virus" the name of which is Corona or Covid-19.

And calling it "the Spanish flu" stigmatizes all Spaniards. And calling it "the swine flu" stigmatizes all pig farmers. And calling it "Lou Gehrig's disease" stigmatizes all baseball players. And...

[JimL]

And calling it "the Spanish flu" stigmatizes all Spaniards. And calling it "the swine flu" stigmatizes all pig farmers. And calling it "Lou Gehrig's disease" stigmatizes all baseball players. And...

And that it was done doesn't make it right, does it. The Spanish Flu didn't even originate in Spain, the first reported case was in Kansas U.S.A. And ALS didn't originate with Lou Gehrig either.

[Mountain Man]

And that it was done doesn't make it right, does it. The Spanish Flu didn't even originate in Spain, the first reported case was in Kansas U.S.A. And ALS didn't originate with Lou Gehrig either.

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