Originally posted by The Pendragon
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No we can't have a conversation because you only look at your side of the story. By the way you use a typical liberal trick, when you can't answer the question or will look bad answering it you say the question is wrong and make up a question you think you can answer.
Politoco, New York Time, Fox News, and many other news sources and reporters.
Politoco, New York Time, Fox News, many other news sources and reporters, Obama, and government reporting.
Joe Biden (when he confessed on national TV), Hunter Biden (in an interview with ABC News), The state department, All of the 17 witnesses that appeared before the impeachment inquiry hearings where asked about the Bidens and Burisma, and All of them said that it was problematic.
There are some you missed to make sure you
What is warranted about Joe Biden getting Shokin fire when Shokin is investigating the corrupt company that his son is on the board of director on. The is Probable Cause to think that Joe Biden has a conflict of interest here a valid reason to investigate (This alone make Trump request to investigate what happened legitimate).
By the way my source for Burisma being corrupt comes again from witnesses in the impeachment trial along with many News sources.
You have done a good job at obfuscating the original question by making it appear that Trump asked about Joe Biden, He asked about Hunter Biden and what went on with Hunter, Joe is an ancillary subject because you thing that it might turn out to be an investigation of Joe. If that is the case you have justified Probable Cause because you beleave that there is enough there to spark that investigation.
You are wrong about it starting with Biden firing Shokins. If you want to get to the real question Its simple. Was there probable cause to look into Hunter Biden and Burisma. Hunter Biden told ABC that he probably only got the job because his last name was Biden. He admitted that he had no experience to be on the board. The Bidens have never make a case as to why Burisma hired Hunter or even what Hunter did as a Board member. It appears he make millions of dollars with out lifting a finger because he was the son of the VP of the U.S.A. Probable Cause leads to ask, the question "What compensation was Burisma looking for from the son of the VP that was incharge of looking at Ukraine and corruption, could it be that the corrupt Burisma was looking for a shield from an investigation?"
This alone is a legitimate reason for Trump to ask about Hunter Biden (Regardless of whether his father is running for President)
Remember No one is above the law. Not Hunter, Not Joe.
Your assertion that Biden had a legitimate reason to fire Shokin is irrelevant to the question that Trump asked. If there was Probable Cause to believe that there was something wrong with what Hunter Biden was involved in was Shady it is legitimate to ask about it. Probable Cause is the center peace of the Question Trump asked He said that it looked bad in the transcript (Motive) He also said that a lot of people in the US where wondering about Hunter and Burisma.
So to your point about Biden's legitimacy in releasing aid for firing Shokin, Trump is asking for information on Hunter and Burisma, because he has Probable Cause to believe that something is very shady going on. Probable Cause is what makes it legitimate regardless of Biden having a legitimate reason or not.
Now you put a lot of stake into motive and believe that Trumps motive is corrupt. What is your evidence that Trumps motives where corrupt. Please only list evidence that will hold up in court because hear say and assumption to motive is not true evidence.
I am not assorting and wrong doing on Biden's part because my presumption is that Trump's question only requires Probable Cause, so I don't need true evidence to prove my point. If you disagree show me where it requires any thing else.
Here is all I need:
Please stop trying to change the question. If your answer is Trump was wrong to ask Ukraine about Hunter Biden and Burisma because Joe Biden is running for President. Please explain to me why running for President make your son immune from some one looking into his possible corruption.
I would say if you asked for a specific out come like I want you to tell every one that Hunter Biden is corrupt that would be wrong. But that is not what Trump asked, he asked for them to look into it. Does running for President make your family above the law or immune to it. No One is Above the Law!
Politoco, New York Time, Fox News, and many other news sources and reporters.
Politoco, New York Time, Fox News, many other news sources and reporters, Obama, and government reporting.
Joe Biden (when he confessed on national TV), Hunter Biden (in an interview with ABC News), The state department, All of the 17 witnesses that appeared before the impeachment inquiry hearings where asked about the Bidens and Burisma, and All of them said that it was problematic.
There are some you missed to make sure you
What is warranted about Joe Biden getting Shokin fire when Shokin is investigating the corrupt company that his son is on the board of director on. The is Probable Cause to think that Joe Biden has a conflict of interest here a valid reason to investigate (This alone make Trump request to investigate what happened legitimate).
By the way my source for Burisma being corrupt comes again from witnesses in the impeachment trial along with many News sources.
You have done a good job at obfuscating the original question by making it appear that Trump asked about Joe Biden, He asked about Hunter Biden and what went on with Hunter, Joe is an ancillary subject because you thing that it might turn out to be an investigation of Joe. If that is the case you have justified Probable Cause because you beleave that there is enough there to spark that investigation.
You are wrong about it starting with Biden firing Shokins. If you want to get to the real question Its simple. Was there probable cause to look into Hunter Biden and Burisma. Hunter Biden told ABC that he probably only got the job because his last name was Biden. He admitted that he had no experience to be on the board. The Bidens have never make a case as to why Burisma hired Hunter or even what Hunter did as a Board member. It appears he make millions of dollars with out lifting a finger because he was the son of the VP of the U.S.A. Probable Cause leads to ask, the question "What compensation was Burisma looking for from the son of the VP that was incharge of looking at Ukraine and corruption, could it be that the corrupt Burisma was looking for a shield from an investigation?"
This alone is a legitimate reason for Trump to ask about Hunter Biden (Regardless of whether his father is running for President)
Remember No one is above the law. Not Hunter, Not Joe.
Your assertion that Biden had a legitimate reason to fire Shokin is irrelevant to the question that Trump asked. If there was Probable Cause to believe that there was something wrong with what Hunter Biden was involved in was Shady it is legitimate to ask about it. Probable Cause is the center peace of the Question Trump asked He said that it looked bad in the transcript (Motive) He also said that a lot of people in the US where wondering about Hunter and Burisma.
So to your point about Biden's legitimacy in releasing aid for firing Shokin, Trump is asking for information on Hunter and Burisma, because he has Probable Cause to believe that something is very shady going on. Probable Cause is what makes it legitimate regardless of Biden having a legitimate reason or not.
Now you put a lot of stake into motive and believe that Trumps motive is corrupt. What is your evidence that Trumps motives where corrupt. Please only list evidence that will hold up in court because hear say and assumption to motive is not true evidence.
I am not assorting and wrong doing on Biden's part because my presumption is that Trump's question only requires Probable Cause, so I don't need true evidence to prove my point. If you disagree show me where it requires any thing else.
Here is all I need:
Hunter Biden is on the board of directors of a corrupt company with ZERO ability to do the job, but makes millions of dollars any way. In Hunter own words he admitted that it was probable because he was Joe Biden's son. Joe Biden is point man for Ukraine. Looks Corrupt on the surface
Please stop trying to change the question. If your answer is Trump was wrong to ask Ukraine about Hunter Biden and Burisma because Joe Biden is running for President. Please explain to me why running for President make your son immune from some one looking into his possible corruption.
I would say if you asked for a specific out come like I want you to tell every one that Hunter Biden is corrupt that would be wrong. But that is not what Trump asked, he asked for them to look into it. Does running for President make your family above the law or immune to it. No One is Above the Law!
[Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.
"Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."]
Source - https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....amp/3785620002https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....3-db5a370481bchttps://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....001.html%3famp
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