Christianity Today Op Ed

[oxmixmudd]

Who decides that?

That question reverses the point of my comments. Only certain kinds of logical statements are reversible like that CP. I don't have to provide a black and white line which must never be crossed to be able to say there are some situations where to be silent from the pulpit about politics would be wrong.

But I hope we can agree that Nazi Germany would be an example where remaining silent from the pulpit about 'politics' was not an option.

[Cow Poke]

That question reverses the point of my comments. Only certain kinds of logical statements are reversible like that CP. I don't have to provide a black and white line which must never be crossed to be able to say there are some situations where to be silent from the pulpit about politics would be wrong.

And US politics is absolutely NOT one of them.

But I hope we can agree that Nazi Germany would be an example where remaining silent from the pulpit about 'politics' was not an option.

You honestly sincerely believe that a duly elected President, flawed though he may be, is equivalent to the murder of 6 million men, women and children for no other reason than that they were Jews?

[oxmixmudd]

All of which can be done without getting political in the pulpit. In fact, in this incredibly divisive nation, it can actually drive away people who need all of the above.



You're really going to go with that? People are too stupid?

That's not my point, but you did ask the question, so I answered it. My point is that a pastor can't always be silent on political issues.

Where does the New Testament ever launch into politics, Jim? Where does the Bible ever even suggest that we tackle politics?

Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars, and to God what is Gods.

Pray for your leaders ...

You tell that snake ...

What got John the Baptist put in prison and later beheaded? Wasn't is specifically calling out the immorality of Herod? Was he wrong to preach against the rulers immorality by name?

[Charles]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...away-his-scam/

[Mountain Man]

What got John the Baptist put in prison and later beheaded? Wasn't is specifically calling out the immorality of Herod? Was he wrong to preach against the rulers immorality by name?

Yes, he condemned Herod to his face. But when people came to him to be baptized, he didn't start preaching politics to them.

[oxmixmudd]

Yes, he condemned Herod to his face. But when people came to him to be baptized, he didn't start preaching politics to them.

Do you suppose none of those same people he baptized where present when he rebuked herod? Do you suppose John did his rebuking in one place and his preaching in another?

[One Bad Pig]

Tassman is much better at this than JimL, in my opinion.

Pfft. Neither of them can hold a candle to Charles.

[oxmixmudd]

And US politics is absolutely NOT one of them.



You honestly sincerely believe that a duly elected President, flawed though he may be, is equivalent to the murder of 6 million men, women and children for no other reason than that they were Jews?

That isn't what I said CP. Right now you are arguing it is NEVER ok to preach about politics or politicians from the pulpit. And I am saying that is not true. Sometimes you must. Is THIS situation one of those? The CT editor will say yes, but it's a matter of conscience to decide WHEN it is time. But it is wrong to say it is NEVER the time. This conversation follows from your assertion you would NEVER discuss politics from the pulpit.

( I even said in my posts I was speaking of that general concept and not applying any absolute judgement that Trump was necessarily over that line, or even that there was an absolute line )

[Cow Poke]

That's not my point, but you did ask the question, so I answered it. My point is that a pastor can't always be silent on political issues.

Issues, like abortion, where there is a clear moral problem, but I don't preach against persons. No need to.

Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars, and to God what is Gods.

Yeah, not blasting Caesar, or challenging his politics or contesting the occupation of Israel, or..... that was actually an incredibly passive statement.

Pray for your leaders ...

Perhaps if his Christian critics would do a lot more of that....

You tell that snake ...

That's not preaching "the snake" from the pulpit, Jim.

What got John the Baptist put in prison and later beheaded? Wasn't is specifically calling out the immorality of Herod? Was he wrong to preach against the rulers immorality by name?

That made me smile --- you want me beheaded, don't you? THAT's what this is all about!

[oxmixmudd]

Issues, like abortion, where there is a clear moral problem, but I don't preach against persons. No need to.



Yeah, not blasting Caesar, or challenging his politics or contesting the occupation of Israel, or..... that was actually an incredibly passive statement.



Perhaps if his Christian critics would do a lot more of that....



That's not preaching "the snake" from the pulpit, Jim.



That made me smile --- you want me beheaded, don't you? THAT's what this is all about!

You have wondered outside the scope of our discussion and are trying to turn it into something personal. It is not.

[Cow Poke]

That isn't what I said CP. Right now you are arguing it is NEVER ok to preach about politics or politicians from the pulpit.

Get that camel's nose under the tent flap, eh?

And I am saying that is not true. Sometimes you must. Is THIS situation one of those?

It is not.

The CT editor will say yes, but it's a matter of conscience to decide WHEN it is time. But it is wrong to say it is NEVER the time. This conversation follows from your assertion you would NEVER discuss politics from the pulpit.

( I even said in my posts I was speaking of that general concept and not applying any absolute judgement that Trump was necessarily over that line, or even that there was an absolute line )

Given your history, Jim...

[Cow Poke]

You have wondered outside the scope of our discussion and are trying to turn it into something personal. It is not.

Of course.

[Cow Poke]

Pfft. Neither of them can hold a candle to Charles.

We outta have a contest, and the prize money.... (I have $1.37)... can go to liberaltalkingpointsfordummies.com!

[oxmixmudd]

And US politics is absolutely NOT one of them.

The CT editor would disagree with you as regards the evangelical support of Donald Trump and his actions in Ukraine. And so would I.

HOWEVER: The point of my argument is not this specific situation but the general assertion it is NEVER ok to discuss politics from the pulpit.

[seer]

Gospel, not politics. Issues, not people.

And wouldn't that mess with your tax exempt status?