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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI don't think it's either/or. It's perfectly consistent to think that capital punishment served an important function in a collective society but isn't as good of an option in an individualistic society. What isn't an option for Christians (Teal didn't do this but I have seen some Christians do it) is to say that capital punishment is inherently immoral.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTo be fair, I think that point would have been lost on Jim, who, as far as I can recall, never uses capital G for God, and very seldom (if ever) uses a capital A for America/American."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostLet God be true, and every Tea a liar!!!!
Romans 3:4
And mildly amused with you..."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostActually, we have a Judeo-Christian heritage from which came English Common Law.
Our entire legal system evolved from that.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat doesn't answer the question I posed to seer. The Judeo-Christian heritage doesn't prove gods existence or gods law, it only proves that you believe in gods existence and gods law. Human beings make the laws that govern themselves whether, as christians do, they choose to attribute them to a god.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostGod is always right -
but in this case you (general) can't read straight and you (personal) have been reading my posts for enough years to know A) I wouldn't make that implication and B) I NEVER use small case in reference to God. N-E-V-E-R.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostActually, it proves that generations of people hundreds of years before me believed in it so much that they built their nation-state's laws on it.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo what. You do realize that the use of the idea of god is what gives the laws more force, right. I hear that from christians all the time, that if it weren't for their belief in a god watching over them they'd be immoral lawbreakers. The concept of god is the only thing that keeps them in line. Is it any wonder that the concept of god has been impressed upon people for hundreds of years before you.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo, he does not. I NEVER, EVER USE THE SMALL CASE WHEN REFERRING TO GOD and you (personal) darn well know it!
'You', in the quote, is in the general referring to both death penalty and abortion proponents. Only a moron would have trouble figuring that out."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat is your point Tass, in your world no set of social norms is superior to another set of norms. And Peter is not condoning or condemning slavery, he is just dealing with the fact of slavery and how Christians should relate to those who have authority over us.And why are they right?
That is just silly. Every dollar you take out of ones pocket for your social programs is that much less freedom for the individual. In other words you reduce his buying power and liberty, giving more power to the state for control.And who said that happiness is the goal?Nonsense it is not unfettered, and yes freedom produces inequity. Perhaps you prefer Communism, then we could all be equally poor.The fact is there is no justification for homosexual behavior in Scripture, it clearly condemns it.
Another falsehood, slavery was a fact long before we had it in the US,
So no abortions after 24 weeks?
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Tass, you do know that slavery in the US was based on kidnapping and that kidnapping is a sin in Scripture - correct?
The death penalty is considered morally reprehensible by virtually all Western nations. More to the point, there is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime in society at large and there are many studies that confirm this fact.
Do you think I'm rich? I'm 66, and still struggle to make ends meet. And I sill prefer freedom to Government control and handout. Though I do not have a problem with a social safety net for those who are truly in need.
Tass, I linked a number of studies in the past showing that religious people are happier and more content than the non-religious. That has as much relevance to you as your studies do for me. And yes there are more important things - like living a moral and religious life even if, at times, it does make you miserable. Denying ones self for a greater purpose does not always make one happy.
Why not go all the way with Communism is you really want equity?
So, you like to think. Biblical interpretation has a history of meaning whatever its adherents want it to mean, whether regarding homosexuality, denying female emancipation or retaining slave-ownership etc. etc. etc.
Yes. Social customs, such as slavery, are determined by the social values of the day and justified by selected biblical passages. In the 18th and 19th century debates re slavery passages in the Bible were used by both pro-slavery advocates and abolitionists to support their respective views.
This is the position which I support, except in the most exceptional circumstances, and this is the position promulgated by Roe v Wade and supported by over 70% of the US populationAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostTass, you do know that slavery in the US was based on kidnapping and that kidnapping is a sin in Scripture - correct?
Again why are they right? Why is it morally reprehensible? If I steal kill and eat a man's sheep, it would be perfectly just to be required to give him one of my sheep. If I, with malice, take another man's life it would be perfectly just to forfeit my life. And again you are just not listening. If you put the murderer to death he can never kill or harm anyone else - that is clear deterrent - for that individual.Do you think I'm rich? I'm 66, and still struggle to make ends meet. And I sill prefer freedom to Government control and handout. Though I do not have a problem with a social safety net for those who are truly in need.
Tass, I linked a number of studies in the past showing that religious people are happier and more content than the non-religious.
That has as much relevance to you as your studies do for me. And yes there are more important things - like living a moral and religious life even if, at times, it does make you miserable. Denying ones self for a greater purpose does not always make one happy.
Again, that is an outright falsehood Tass, the Biblical texts against homosexual behavior are clear - no interpretation necessary.What are the exceptional circumstances?
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