Elizabeth Warren's Pregnant Pause

[Sam]

That's a pretty incoherent argument considering that the thing starting this tangent was you demanding of Jim an answer of what choice voters had between Clinton and Trump concerning religious freedom.

That kind of presupposes knowledge of their policies four years ago!

--Sam

[lilpixieofterror]

That's a pretty incoherent argument considering that the thing starting this tangent was you demanding of Jim an answer of what choice voters had between Clinton and Trump concerning religious freedom.

That kind of presupposes knowledge of their policies four years ago!

--Sam

[Roy]

Option 3 was actually three separate options:

3a. Nuke a city
3b. Nuke a military installation
3c. Nuke an uninhabited area

Truman's preferred option was 3b. Unfortunately weather conditions meant the chosen military target was impractical.

[lilpixieofterror]

I looked before I posted. Truman is considered to have been a better president than all but one of those that have succeeded him [1]. Most presidents have had lower than 36% approval at some point during their terms[2]. Also, approval ratings don't necessarily tell you how a president is viewed in comparison to previous presidents.

[lilpixieofterror]

Option 3 was actually three separate options:

3a. Nuke a city
3b. Nuke a military installation
3c. Nuke an uninhabited area

Truman's preferred option was 3b. Unfortunately weather conditions meant the chosen military target was impractical.

So nuke them and shock and awe them to surrender, just as I said.

[Roy]

Of course I did.

I also noticed that 2nd tier is nowhere near to being among the worst.

[lilpixieofterror]

Of course I did.

I also noticed that 2nd tier is nowhere near to being among the worst.

Scores of people, still die.

[Cow Poke]

Clinton proposed that Christians operating businesses should not be exempt from anti-discrimination laws.

Trump proposed massive surveillance of Muslim communities, curtailing the ability of Muslims to include religious rules in civil disputes with the consent of both parties -- a legal accommodation Christian and Jewish sects enjoy --, and proposed the outright ban of Muslim travel to the United States.

A non-bigoted person who was interested in religious liberty as a principle and not merely out of paranoid self-interest shouldn't have a difficult choice between those two.

--Sam

That is, perhaps, if you want to totally avoid the issue of abortion.

[Charles]

Please read again. Not talking about the election. And for the 1000th time, voting for Hillary or Clinton was a rock and a hard place decision. There was no 'right vote' in 2016.

However - Proclaiming Trump 'God's man' and talking about a divine mandate on him and standing behind him no matter WHAT he does, cheering him on NO MATTER WHAT - IS the problem I'm talking about.

And that is why I not talking about Hillary. Evangelical Christians don't deny the truth when she does something wrong. They don't cover it up. They don't echo conspiracy theories on their facebook pages to deflect attention from her misdeeds.

They ARE doing that with Donald Trump.


JIm

A few examples showing how far some are willing to go... Jerry Falwell Jr. was asked: Is there anything President Trump could do that would endanger that support from you or other evangelical leaders?". The very short answer was: "No." https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...5f4_story.html

Sarah Sanders has said 'God wanted Trump to be president': https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47066659 Franklin Graham also believes that is the case: https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael...-put-him-there

And here is a great example of how it sound when you cannot really allow yourself to be critical towards Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/10/u...criticism.html

Note the expression "a Syria decision"...

Luckily not all evangelicals reason along those lines but some, even some of the leaders, think along those simplistic lines.

[oxmixmudd]

A few examples showing how far some are willing to go... Jerry Falwell Jr. was asked: Is there anything President Trump could do that would endanger that support from you or other evangelical leaders?". The very short answer was: "No." https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...5f4_story.html

Sarah Sanders has said 'God wanted Trump to be president': https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47066659 Franklin Graham also believes that is the case: https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael...-put-him-there

And here is a great example of how it sound when you cannot really allow yourself to be critical towards Trump:



Note the expression "a Syria decision"...

Luckily not all evangelicals reason along those lines but some, even some of the leaders, think along those simplistic lines.

The sad fact is, it is not a small minority. It is endemic. My experience is (and I am part of that community) you are more likely to find that sort of thinking in the evangelical community than not.

Jim

[Charles]

That is, perhaps, if you want to totally avoid the issue of abortion.

Sometimes it seems that those who are against abortion seem very confident being not so pro life or supporting a president who is not very pro life in quite many other cases.

Haley Stewart wrote the very interesting article . In it she says:

A truly pro-life ethic is founded on the truth that the life of every human being is worthy of dignity and protection. The pro-life movement is full of many different kinds of people with diverse ideologies, all joined together to protect the dignity of human life. The March for Life is intended to galvanize and unify supporters of the pro-life movement, and to change hearts and minds by communicating the truth and beauty of honoring all life, no matter how vulnerable. The choice of speakers this year failed this mission. Featuring politicians like Mr. Trump engenders division. It confirms the misconception that the pro-life movement is indeed an ideology that only cares about an unborn child until he or she exits the womb.

I completely agree with her. We have already seen the horrible consequences for so many vulnerable people, some of them are children. I fear that Trump will discredit the movement or those who try to limit or prevent abortion because the hypocrasy that follows is so painful to watch.

[Cow Poke]

Sometimes it seems that those who are against abortion seem very confident being not so pro life or supporting a president who is not very pro life in quite many other cases...

We had two horrible candidates, Charles - one of them very much pro-abortion, and the other not.
Also, the SCOTUS appointments would have impact for DECADES.

Hillary is not POTUS.
SCOTUS is not Hillary's.

Another election is on the way.

[lilpixieofterror]

Scores of people, still die.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/a...lar-mr-lincoln

[Charles]

We had two horrible candidates, Charles - one of them very much pro-abortion, and the other not.
Also, the SCOTUS appointments would have impact for DECADES.

Hillary is not POTUS.
SCOTUS is not Hillary's.

Another election is on the way.

It seems to me you are not pro life when you worry so little about the lives of all those who are born since you deal with the issue of pro life in so simple terms and continue to focus on abortion as if that was the only pro life issue. Your simplistic approach is not decent if you actually find that all human beings are of equal worth. Let me repeat what she said:

[lilpixieofterror]

It seems to me you are not pro life when you worry so little about the lives of all those who are born since you deal with the issue of pro life in so simple terms and continue to focus on abortion as if that was the only pro life issue. Your simplistic approach is not decent if you actually find that all human beings are of equal worth. Let me repeat what she said:

Nanny Charles, strikes again.